are these problems cured in II generation of ST?
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Dogdaze
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Not entirely sure if there is or was a cure, however, the coil packs are a problem if you ride in wet weather and do not change or inspect plugs regularly. Water is an inherent problem for the S10 when it kicks up from the front wheel onto the sparkplugs, some have managed to come up with a solution of extreme use of dielectric grease which helps. The carbon problem may just rare in EU, but because of the petrol additives an Ethanol use in the US, they have more of an issue.
None of this probably helps you...............
None of this probably helps you...............
Nig5
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Gen 2, 36,000 mile service, serviced twice a year although spark plugs not checked at 6,000 mile intervals just replaced every 12,000 miles.
If I had kept the bike I would have had them checked every 6,000! traded in for Tracer 900 GT now!
All 4 coil packs had to be replaced and the mechanic had hell of a job getting this plug out, rode it no more in the wet than any other bike and treated with ACF 50.
If I had kept the bike I would have had them checked every 6,000! traded in for Tracer 900 GT now!
All 4 coil packs had to be replaced and the mechanic had hell of a job getting this plug out, rode it no more in the wet than any other bike and treated with ACF 50.
tallpaul
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You have been "researching" these bikes for the last 5 years. Come on, 5 years of research to buy a bike? Robson, you take procrastination to a whole new level. I'm sorry but I have firmly fixed in my mind that you're nothing but trolling on these bikes.
Longdog Cymru
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Impressive! 5 years “research” to find what appear to be 5 maintenance related issues. Leaking exhaust valves? Incorrectly set tapped/valve clearances. The ball and rod thing, looks like incorrect clutch lever clearance.
I wonder if our friend has “researched” a certain German flat twin adventure bike?
The way of the seats valve are rusted, for me this engine was underwater. And the crown, you have to see the pinion. But having lost the hard, so low, in the teeth, badly armed symptom the pinion. And assuming that that the cylinder cover is one S10. If so, then in this pic, can see difference between gen 1 and 2
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Boris
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Mr Robson, how dare you 
no, it wasn't. It was kinda official long distance test, original link below.
https://www.motocykl-online.pl/testy/YAMAHA-XT-1200-Z-Super-Tenere-Super-enduro,8173,2
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ballisticexchris
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I was looking at my join date (Nov 2012). One year later I got a test ride on a 1st Gen ST during a large dual sport event in Bishop CA. I got a good few hours on it. The only stipulation was to no taking it offroad.
I have a heavy dirt bike background. Right after I swung a leg over it I was thinking "WOW!! This is a huge bike" As soon as I started heading up the hwy I realized I wanted to just keep riding right into the sunset. This bike is made for long days in the saddle!! It was right after that event I decided to save for the bike of my dreams. 4 years later I got mine. I could not be happier with my choice. I came really close to getting the GS. Very nice machine but had real issues and very high cost of ownership.
Robson is just making crap up and finding everything he can to bag on this bike. I know I come on here with my "dark humor". But really Robson? That's all you can come up with? A few pictures pulled from google images and some fake Polish motorcycle website convinces no one.
PAULIBIKER
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Yes.....
WJBertrand
Ventura Highway
Fitting a fender extender can go a long way to keeping water off the front/top of the engine. I also have a RaveTech skid plate that has an optional splash guard in front of the engine. I've ridden in some pretty hard downpours and my plugs have looked fine when I replaced them first time at 26K and second time at 54K.
The rest of those issues look like the results of neglect.
The rest of those issues look like the results of neglect.
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The Super Tenere is a mechanical device. Please show me ANY mechanical device that is perfect and impervious to neglect and lack of being maintained. I know of some guys who can break an anvil. The Super Tenere has a better reliability record than most motorcycles.
yes +1 lol
gv550
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All problems with the Super Tenere have been cured. Problems with owners...... not so much!
RCinNC
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Why are you convinced that these are even common problems? Forums are a great source of info when it comes to things like "how to adjust valves" or "how do I service my forks", but they can give a really skewed picture of whether or not some issue is endemic on a bike, or a lack of individual maintenance, or something within a reasonably acceptable failure rate.
Every motorcycle forum I've been on has been the same way. There might be 30,000 members, out of which maybe 1 percent actually post anything, and out of that 1 percent, maybe 20 percent post with any regularity. 20 or 30 members may account for most of the posts being made at any given time. Even from an anecdotal evidence standpoint, that's a pretty small base of people to start drawing conclusions about anything. And every bike has some sort of flaw (both real and imagined) that gets exaggerated on forums. 10 guys on a forum tell you their CCT failed, and that gets repeated by other members, and soon it becomes a "known problem". Whether is actually is a "problem" is pretty hard to determine. I've seen this with Harleys, BMWs, KTMs, Guzzis, etc; Everybody "knows" that all Harleys leak oil, and the final drives on BMWs fail repeatedly, and all KTMs are unreliable, ad nauseam. If 10 out of 100 units have the same issue, that's bad. If ten out of 10,000 units have the same problem, that's negligible. And you aren't going to be able to form an accurate opinion either way of the prevalence of a problem by reading posts on a forum. I can read a hundred posts over on the Stromtroopers site about the terrible failure rate of the final drives on the 1200GS (usually by the same handful of posters) and then I can go on a BMW owners' forum and read that all those issues are wildly inflated, and deciding who is right is just about impossible.
I wouldn't be so concerned about whether or not Yamaha has "fixed" something like the coil stick issue, because it very well may not be a system wide problem. I'd be more concerned with whether or not there was an easy solution to prevent something like that from ever happening, which is something this forum is great for. At 50,000 miles I wasn't having that problem (does that cancel out the other anecdotal info from those that do have it?), but I still make sure I use boot grease on the stick and use waterproof grease around the top of the coil stick to prevent water from getting in.
If you're still researching this bike after five years and can't decide if it's right for you, then it probably isn't. I do recommend that, when you start shopping for your next bike, you limit your exposure to any forums that mention whatever bike you're considering. No matter what bike you decided on, I bet I could go on line and find some flaws that people would be bitching about in forums. Best to stay away from KTMs, because everyone knows they break down constantly and are maintenance nightmares.
Or maybe they don't; people on the KTM forums seem to love them.
Every motorcycle forum I've been on has been the same way. There might be 30,000 members, out of which maybe 1 percent actually post anything, and out of that 1 percent, maybe 20 percent post with any regularity. 20 or 30 members may account for most of the posts being made at any given time. Even from an anecdotal evidence standpoint, that's a pretty small base of people to start drawing conclusions about anything. And every bike has some sort of flaw (both real and imagined) that gets exaggerated on forums. 10 guys on a forum tell you their CCT failed, and that gets repeated by other members, and soon it becomes a "known problem". Whether is actually is a "problem" is pretty hard to determine. I've seen this with Harleys, BMWs, KTMs, Guzzis, etc; Everybody "knows" that all Harleys leak oil, and the final drives on BMWs fail repeatedly, and all KTMs are unreliable, ad nauseam. If 10 out of 100 units have the same issue, that's bad. If ten out of 10,000 units have the same problem, that's negligible. And you aren't going to be able to form an accurate opinion either way of the prevalence of a problem by reading posts on a forum. I can read a hundred posts over on the Stromtroopers site about the terrible failure rate of the final drives on the 1200GS (usually by the same handful of posters) and then I can go on a BMW owners' forum and read that all those issues are wildly inflated, and deciding who is right is just about impossible.
I wouldn't be so concerned about whether or not Yamaha has "fixed" something like the coil stick issue, because it very well may not be a system wide problem. I'd be more concerned with whether or not there was an easy solution to prevent something like that from ever happening, which is something this forum is great for. At 50,000 miles I wasn't having that problem (does that cancel out the other anecdotal info from those that do have it?), but I still make sure I use boot grease on the stick and use waterproof grease around the top of the coil stick to prevent water from getting in.
If you're still researching this bike after five years and can't decide if it's right for you, then it probably isn't. I do recommend that, when you start shopping for your next bike, you limit your exposure to any forums that mention whatever bike you're considering. No matter what bike you decided on, I bet I could go on line and find some flaws that people would be bitching about in forums. Best to stay away from KTMs, because everyone knows they break down constantly and are maintenance nightmares.
Or maybe they don't; people on the KTM forums seem to love them.
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Nothing is official about that "test". It's an online magazine, one of the least reputable sources for any real information on anything.The clutch rod is a singular event, near as I can tell. Rust in the spark plug wells, note that the left, downhill side if you part on the side stand all the time, is the most corroded. Sorry to those that have experienced it, but that's just lack of owner maintenance. Ignore any mechanical device long enough and you'll have some problems. In wet climates, you simply need to check that area more. A little dielectric grease and some silicone RTV around the head of the coil stick will prevent a lot of headaches later.
The Cam Chain Tensioner is a known issue, NOW. And has been updated/superseded twice now with a later design that no one has reported a failure with. Mine failed on my 2012 at around 83k miles. One of the first to fail. We didn't know to change them at ~50k or so. If you have a Gen I with the original CCT, it's best to replace it before or at the second valve check interval.
You own enough bikes to know better. Buy a Super Ten and ride it yourself or don't. No one here cares what you do. Keep asking loaded questions trying to stir the pot and you just look like a troll with nothing better to do. Grow a pair of balls and go for a ride. You're in "Europe"? That's pretty lame. If you don't want people to know where you are, you should probably stay off the internet.
lol he,ll be back we know he will
Chaz
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All I can say ...
I was crazy to buy an AT ! Was lookin’ new ones , used ones ...nah! Too expensive and they got their flaws too!! No center stand, no heated grips...I just found a used S10 nicely farkled for half the price of a naked used AT!
When I seat on that bike if feels planted and confy!
NOW I JUST WANT THE WINTER TO END AND SNOW TO MELT!!!
CANNOT WAIT TO TWIIIIIISSSSSSSSt the throttle of that bike and hear it roar!!
I was crazy to buy an AT ! Was lookin’ new ones , used ones ...nah! Too expensive and they got their flaws too!! No center stand, no heated grips...I just found a used S10 nicely farkled for half the price of a naked used AT!
When I seat on that bike if feels planted and confy!
NOW I JUST WANT THE WINTER TO END AND SNOW TO MELT!!!
CANNOT WAIT TO TWIIIIIISSSSSSSSt the throttle of that bike and hear it roar!!
Bahahaaaa!! I feel for you brother, we're 78 &partly cloudy today. But to be honest, she doesn't roar, it's more of a agricultural cacophony. Don't get me wrong, I love the sound, but it's an acquired taste.