Anyone know if the 2020 will be updated?

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Yes, I should have clarified, walk into a Harley shop in the past decade.....

But even with their abysmal handling of the Buell subsidiary in their dealerships, there was still at least evidence in the dealership that a Buell existed. The dealership I bought my Road King from in Pennsylvania had an area sectioned off for Buells, and they had models on display and sales promotional material on their line of bikes available if you were interested. I'd been in other dealerships in PA at random while I lived there, and they also advertised at least some connection with Buell, though the salepeople didn't necessarily grab your hand and drag you over to the Buell section to look at them. If they didn't have floor models, they at least had a Buell sign and promotional stuff. So if I went in a Harley dealership in those days before 2009, I would at minimum know that there was such a bike as a Buell, and there would be posters showing them, so there was at least a token attempt to acquaint a potential customer with the models.

The only Yamaha dealership I've ever been in that had S10 promotional stuff was at Romney, where I bought mine. Since 2014 I've been in four different Yamaha dealerships for various things like inspections and buying parts, and none of them carried any sort of advertising that would make a buyer familiar that the S10 was a product in their line. The last dealership I was at had literally never seen one in person. Out of the four, only one had ever sold an S10. If you want to draw a more accurate comparison between Harley and Yamaha and their handing of the promotion of a bike they actually made, that would be the same as walking into an HD dealer and seeing no evidence that a bike called a Road King existed. Harley aggressively promotes their own brand in their dealerships; if you walk into one, you're most likely going to see a floor model of each line, and if it's a really small dealership, you'll at least see sales material for each line of bikes. The salespeople will know about each line of Harleys, and the various permutations in each line. I'll go out on a limb and say the same won't be true if you go into the average Yamaha dealer (or multi-brand dealer) and ask questions about the Super Tenere.
 

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Seeing as We do this EVERY year... no, there will be no significant changes to the T12 but my wish list remains the same:

1. more power
2. less weight
3. on-the-fly TC and rear ABS off switch

and for what these things cost, shouldn't LED headlights and heated grips be standard?

Tangent II: I walked into a multi-brand dealer a couple weeks ago and the sales guy actually knew what the T7 was. He had no idea when it would be here but took my name/number just for giggles. And like the big Tenere, zero promotion on the walls to stimulate interest in said T7.
 

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An update of the T12 is overdue - both in regard to Yamaha'a usual update circle and how far the T12 have fallen behind the competition in terms of features and rider aids.
I wouldn't be surprised if we see an update this year. Most likely in November at EICMA.

The T12 is a solid platform, and I don't believe we will see big changes in regard to frame, suspension and engine.
When the T7 was a certainty Yamaha started to emphasize the name T12 to show the 2 bikes kinship. I imagine that we will see this kinship reflected in the styling of the next generation T12 (a new front with similar headlights).

Besides that I expect to see:
- New TFT dashboard with bluetooth connectivity.
- More sophisticated ride aids.
- Slightly more power.
- Lower fuel consumption.

I keep my fingers crossed that we won't see an increase of neither displacement nor weight.
 

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Yes, I should have clarified, walk into a Harley shop in the past decade.....

But even with their abysmal handling of the Buell subsidiary in their dealerships, there was still at least evidence in the dealership that a Buell existed. The dealership I bought my Road King from in Pennsylvania had an area sectioned off for Buells, and they had models on display and sales promotional material on their line of bikes available if you were interested. I'd been in other dealerships in PA at random while I lived there, and they also advertised at least some connection with Buell, though the salepeople didn't necessarily grab your hand and drag you over to the Buell section to look at them. If they didn't have floor models, they at least had a Buell sign and promotional stuff. So if I went in a Harley dealership in those days before 2009, I would at minimum know that there was such a bike as a Buell, and there would be posters showing them, so there was at least a token attempt to acquaint a potential customer with the models.

The only Yamaha dealership I've ever been in that had S10 promotional stuff was at Romney, where I bought mine. Since 2014 I've been in four different Yamaha dealerships for various things like inspections and buying parts, and none of them carried any sort of advertising that would make a buyer familiar that the S10 was a product in their line. The last dealership I was at had literally never seen one in person. Out of the four, only one had ever sold an S10. If you want to draw a more accurate comparison between Harley and Yamaha and their handing of the promotion of a bike they actually made, that would be the same as walking into an HD dealer and seeing no evidence that a bike called a Road King existed. Harley aggressively promotes their own brand in their dealerships; if you walk into one, you're most likely going to see a floor model of each line, and if it's a really small dealership, you'll at least see sales material for each line of bikes. The salespeople will know about each line of Harleys, and the various permutations in each line. I'll go out on a limb and say the same won't be true if you go into the average Yamaha dealer (or multi-brand dealer) and ask questions about the Super Tenere.
I went to a HD dealer - in PA, no less - SPECIFICALLY for the Buell Ulysses. The guy literally refused to talk about it, gave me the "get a real bike" comment, and walked me over to the road kings.

Your analogy tweak would be more appropriate if instead S10: Road King, you went with S10:VRod, or S10: XR1200, or S10: any other damned HD that the faithful decided wasn't a "real" Harley. Actually, when I was looking for the Buell, the XR1200 was in that dealership. I stopped to oogle it and the sales pirate said, "no one wants those."

I don't want to get into a back-and-forth about it, I don't have much skin in the game - just being pedantic.

As your claim about Yamaha dealers not knowing the S10, my story: I had some service done at a dealer in FL.
The manager comes out and says, "nice bike, what is that?"
"A Super Tenere."
"That looks really cool - who makes that?"
"Uh, Yamaha"
"Oh, I've never seen one."
"There's been one on your sales floor for over a year."

In his defense, there'd been an S10 on the sales floor for over a year. In more than 12months, in a pretty densely populated area, that dealer couldn't sell a single S10.
 

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Maybe a TFT dash and clutch assist, maybe heated grips standard. Other than that maybe a displacement increase to keep pace with the Euro 5 emissions robbing power from the engine.
 

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In his defense, there'd been an S10 on the sales floor for over a year. In more than 12months, in a pretty densely populated area, that dealer couldn't sell a single S10.
In his defense, it's FL. Not exactly a mecca for ADV riding. But you're spot on with the comments. When the Uly first came out I had to ride to Canada to find one and it was just out of the crate. We could sit on it, but no oil yet so they wouldn't even consider letting us test ride it w/o some pretty serious intent to buy. I don't blame them.

I test rode some of the Buell bikes at a HD dealer in Beaverton, OR back when they were being sold. Liked the XB9SX Lightning City X quite a bit, but in the end bought a left over Yamaha FZ-1 for less money and more Hp/fun and better ergos for me. Plus the fan cooling the rear cylinder on the XB9SX would come on and stay on for a loooong time. That kind of made me go Hmmm. ;)
 

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I can't dispute your experience with the HD dealer as far as a Buell goes; at the time I bought a Harley I had no interest in Buell's bikes, so I never asked a dealer about one. The reason I remember so clearly seeing them and their promo material in HD dealerships was precisely because they looked so out of place there, about like a Klansman at Black Panther rally. As far as the Harley/Yamaha comparison, I still maintain that HD comes out on top as far as proactive sales efforts go. I walked into an HD dealer with no knowledge that a Buell existed, and there they were sitting there, with their own little niche on the floor, with signs that said "Buell" and other promotional stuff. I was ignorant of the whole line, and walking into the dealership educated me that the line existed. The only Yamaha dealer I've ever seen an S10 actually present on the floor was Romney, and they were also the only one who went to any length to let the buying public who may have previously been unaware know that Yamaha even carried an ADV bike called a Super Tenere. If I hadn't learned about the S10 online while I was looking to replace my V-Strom, none of my visits to the Yamaha dealers I mentioned previously would have clued me in that a Super Tenere existed, and that's a model that Yamaha actually manufactures, and not a product of a subsidiary.

I like the anecdote about the salesman who was unaware what an S10 was when they actually had one on the floor. It pretty appropriately illustrates what I said about this model just falling through the cracks for some reason, even with the people who have a vested interest in trying to sell them.
 

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I must be attracted to unpopular obscure bikes. All these experiences described, I also experienced with my Honda ST1100 and ST1300. I was once almost denied parking at the special Honda Riders Club area at Laguna Seca one year because they didn’t believe the bike was really a Honda!


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I heard for years; What BMW is that? When I was riding the FJR.
 

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Personally I hope they don't change anything pretty.. If it ain't broke then don't fix it! I always hate it when they update something that I have it makes me want the new one and I hate having that feeling! Especially when I'm pretty close to having my bike dialed in the way I want it. On top of that when they come out with a new brighter and shiny thing it lowers the value of our bikes. Also makes Parts more scarce and sometimes they can end up being more expensive. Course they sometimes get cheaper...
 

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I remember going to a local motorcycle swap meet at the fairgrounds back when I had my ST1100. It turned out to be mostly Harleys in the parking lot. I was surprised when a couple of pirate-uniformed guys came up to ask me how I liked my bike. Obviously I told them I loved it. Then then asked if I'd ordered the optional onboard CD player, I said what? that wasn't any option that was available. They said, "yeah BMW said you can get an optional 6-disc CD player right here in the trunk". I said well they better tell Honda then, 'cause they don't know about it. That's when they realized my bike was not a BMW. They looked at each other, spun around and walked quickly away without another word. I was laughing my ass off!
 

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I can't dispute your experience with the HD dealer as far as a Buell goes; at the time I bought a Harley I had no interest in Buell's bikes, so I never asked a dealer about one. The reason I remember so clearly seeing them and their promo material in HD dealerships was precisely because they looked so out of place there, about like a Klansman at Black Panther rally. As far as the Harley/Yamaha comparison, I still maintain that HD comes out on top as far as proactive sales efforts go. I walked into an HD dealer with no knowledge that a Buell existed, and there they were sitting there, with their own little niche on the floor, with signs that said "Buell" and other promotional stuff. I was ignorant of the whole line, and walking into the dealership educated me that the line existed. The only Yamaha dealer I've ever seen an S10 actually present on the floor was Romney, and they were also the only one who went to any length to let the buying public who may have previously been unaware know that Yamaha even carried an ADV bike called a Super Tenere. If I hadn't learned about the S10 online while I was looking to replace my V-Strom, none of my visits to the Yamaha dealers I mentioned previously would have clued me in that a Super Tenere existed, and that's a model that Yamaha actually manufactures, and not a product of a subsidiary.

I like the anecdote about the salesman who was unaware what an S10 was when they actually had one on the floor. It pretty appropriately illustrates what I said about this model just falling through the cracks for some reason, even with the people who have a vested interest in trying to sell them.
Again, punctiliousness requires me to throw shade at your analogy:

When you walked into a HD dealership, you were aware that they sold Buell.
When you walk into a multi- Japanese marque dealership, you're aware that they sell Yamaha.

A more analogous comparison would be seeing how much HD dealerships hyped the XR1200 or the maybe the VRod. For that matter, I was in a HD dealership about a year ago specifically to see the Streets in the flesh. The salesperson dismissed them as "scooters," and led me into the 900lb chrome section.

Not arguing your point - we agree - I just have a compulsion about analogousness.
 

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Hey, I totally snoozed on the OP:

I've heard that the S10 is getting updated, but it won't be until 2021, which might be available in late '20 in Asia and Japan. Not sure the update will come to the US until 2021 or ever.

The gen3 will have 110hp at the crank and a bit more torque, weighs 585 lb. The standard (non-ES) bike will be discontinued. The new ES will have a third ride mode (rain) and revised ABS (with a switch!!), but no lean sensor. TFT instrument cluster.
 

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Hey, I totally snoozed on the OP:

I've heard that the S10 is getting updated, but it won't be until 2021, which might be available in late '20 in Asia and Japan. Not sure the update will come to the US until 2021 or ever.

The gen3 will have 110hp at the crank and a bit more torque, weighs 585 lb. The standard (non-ES) bike will be discontinued. The new ES will have a third ride mode (rain) and revised ABS (with a switch!!), but no lean sensor. TFT instrument cluster.
Well that's unexciting
 

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Sounds like inside info....wonder where he got it

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Same place that someone every year gets that info. Different person, same type of info, doesn't pan out. The show at the end of the year will give answers, if any. Heck, the 2018 was suppose to be the last year of the bike, from what I heard.
 
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