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hereánother picture of the Givi trekkers on the S10 now with a 10 meters long measuring tape to amke shure the camara is right in front of the bik,to give a good view of the panniers (45 & 33) sticking out,and how far.
the 45 could be brought a kittle more to the bike,the rack sticking about 5 cm out of the frameplane.
the 45 could be brought a kittle more to the bike,the rack sticking about 5 cm out of the frameplane.
This picture confirms what I suspected. The 45l looks to stick out about 1.5-2" further than the 33l. Do you think we can talk GIVI into building a 40l bag to split the difference? 
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It would be nice to see the same shot from the rear, if you would be so kind.
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Yeah, just don't hold your breath!!!switchback said:This picture confirms what I suspected. The 45l looks to stick out about 1.5-2" further than the 33l. Do you think we can talk GIVI into building a 40l bag to split the difference?
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Thanks for the picture. Any chance of a similar (straight on) picture from the rear? Also, IIRC, you are using the GIVI mounts, which I believe have a bit more gap between the rack and the bike on the right side than the SW-MOTECH racks do. This may explain why the 46L bag sticks out further on the right side than the 33L on the left side.ErnsTT said:
The difference in width between the GIVI Trekker 45 and 33l boxes are more than 3" while boxes like the Trax are only 2" different in width allowing for more symmetry considering the ~ 1.5" bump in width on the exhaust side.colorider said:
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The difference in the Trekkers is exactly 3" (I just measured mine), but I'm hoping this 3" is close to the difference between the L and R rack on the SW-MOTECH.switchback said:
If is wasn't so much trouble, I would go back out to my stable, unpack and measure mine to know for sure!!!
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Okay - I couldn't stand it....colorider said:The difference in the Trekkers is exactly 3" (I just measured mine), but I'm hoping this 3" is close to the difference between the L and R rack on the SW-MOTECH.
If is wasn't so much trouble, I would go back out to my stable, unpack and measure mine to know for sure!!!
Went out and unpacked/measured my SW-MOTECH racks. There is about 2 1/8" difference between the left and right brackets - so with the Trekkers 46L on right and 33L on left, the right side will be 7/8" further from the center line of the bike than the left side (as measured to the outside edge of the bag).
One important option is not discussed. If you go with the SW-Motech racks and then a Caribou Case/Pelican type case, you can mount the panniers with the lid towards the rack/bike. The Pelican lid is very tough so strength should not be a problem. When you have the lid attached towards the rack there are 3 benefits:
1. The bag opens to the side so you can access your stuff with the bike still loaded;
2. The compartment opens "down" so you now have wide open access but your stuff does not fall out!;
3. It is easy to remove the case from the SW-Motech rack so a. you don't need an inner liner and b. When you sit this luggage on a surface the mounts do not get scratched and the surface you are sitting it on does not get scratched!
I have the Caribou with Pelicans on my other bike and I still wish I had requested this option!
What are the negatives on this approach?
1. The bag opens to the side so you can access your stuff with the bike still loaded;
2. The compartment opens "down" so you now have wide open access but your stuff does not fall out!;
3. It is easy to remove the case from the SW-Motech rack so a. you don't need an inner liner and b. When you sit this luggage on a surface the mounts do not get scratched and the surface you are sitting it on does not get scratched!
I have the Caribou with Pelicans on my other bike and I still wish I had requested this option!
What are the negatives on this approach?
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Will the retention straps be strong enough to support the entire case/contents in #2?2XADV said:
As for #3. I quit taking grungy bags off my bike and into my room/tent years ago. Much prefer liners!!! YMMV
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The TraX bags are looking nice... photo courtesy of waspoworks.
I agree, out of all the options these definitely look the best and IF I go Aluminium they are the ones I will buy. The value and peace of mind the Pelicans provide still have me leaning that way but I may get the SWMotech racks so I could change my mind down the road.Mellow said:
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Good thought about the strength of the retention straps that are on Caribou cases holding the entire load when open. I looked at them on my current Caribous. The strap/strings can hold the cases no problem, and maybe a normal load, but if you heavy load them you may need to go with a true webbing strap instead of the thin plastic "string" that the Caribou has now.
Also I agree that sometimes the bags are grungy, but the other benefits are still there and at least you CAN remove the cases and sit them down places much safer.
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Good thought about the strength of the retention straps that are on Caribou cases holding the entire load when open. I looked at them on my current Caribous. The strap/strings can hold the cases no problem, and maybe a normal load, but if you heavy load them you may need to go with a true webbing strap instead of the thin plastic "string" that the Caribou has now.
Also I agree that sometimes the bags are grungy, but the other benefits are still there and at least you CAN remove the cases and sit them down places much safer.
If you go down on the road you beter not have alu boxes, they warp, and are leaking after that, the durableplastic ones like pelicases of Givis, will scratch hooribly, but have a reasonableamount of flex in them, t buffer the impact energy.switchback said:The value and peace of mind the Pelicans provide still have me leaning that way but I may get the SWMotech racks so I could change my mind down the road.
So they will "jump" back in shape (though marred for life) as soon as you pick up the bike, it took me three nasty spills before i had a crack in the lid of the then 8 year old touringcase :-0
Exactly why I am going with the pelicans. I like some of the standard GIVI panniers as well but have cracked a plastic bag in a low speed tip but the looks of the E41 model is tempting and allows for helmet storage.ErnsTT said:
Pelicans crack and leak, but they are tough for sure.switchback said:Exactly why I am going with the pelicans. I like some of the standard GIVI panniers as well but have cracked a plastic bag in a low speed tip but the looks of the E41 model is tempting and allows for helmet storage.
Haven't heard of any leaking problems. Caribou shows submerged testing on their website. Any personal experiences Clem? As for them cracking, I am not worried about that with the lifetime replacement warranty. We use them for shipping laptops at work in our mobile training lab operations. I have had latches break and large diameter locks can cause troubles in shipping but major case cracks are rare.motocephalic said:
Yes, I have had pelicans that crack at the hinges, especially if the hinges hit dirt or pavement first. I have had them leak after that, I posted a picture of that hinge leak/crack. I am sure they will do most of what people want with them. When they are tested, no torque is applied to the lids as would happen in a go down. They drive over them(test), ok, how many times will you have that happen when on your bike?switchback said:
All that said, they are a great choice, cheaper than most others. They are the value leader for as tough as they are.
So after reading this thread more times than I can count, as well as info on ADVrider, and talking to a very helpful Dereck from Twisted Throttle at IMS Minneapolis, I bit at Twisted Throttle. SW Motech racks and Twisted offers their flavor of Pelican cases. Price was right etc. If you visit them at an IMS show ask about show specials.
They ship not drilled so you can set the placement of the bag as you wish. Gonna have to seriously consider the reverse strategy, bracket on lid. Has some merit. I went with he 35 liter Pelican / Storm case. The Twisted Throttle variant comes with a metal hinged strap to restrain the lid, however this case appears to have a built in stop, the lid stops at about 90 degrees.
As long as I was spending money like a drunken liberal, I also ordered bag liners, SW Motech crash bars, Denali LED light kit and a Kaoko throttle lock.
And I still aint done, and I still aint got the bike.....
They ship not drilled so you can set the placement of the bag as you wish. Gonna have to seriously consider the reverse strategy, bracket on lid. Has some merit. I went with he 35 liter Pelican / Storm case. The Twisted Throttle variant comes with a metal hinged strap to restrain the lid, however this case appears to have a built in stop, the lid stops at about 90 degrees.
As long as I was spending money like a drunken liberal, I also ordered bag liners, SW Motech crash bars, Denali LED light kit and a Kaoko throttle lock.
And I still aint done, and I still aint got the bike.....