ABS Fault

scopeusa

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I have a 2012 US model which has been great up until now when the ABS light came on steady while cruising down a smooth road at about 50 mph. Anyway I obtained the Yamaha original ABS test lead and hooked it up as per the manual. The fault codes read as 25 - 51 - 63. 25 = front wheel sensor is not receiving properly, 51 = power voltage too high ( it reads 13.9v turned off and 14.2 when running on idle and at 3,000 rpm, no problem there) and 63 = front brake master cylinder pressure sensor is defective. Ouch the last one has a replace the hydraulic unit as a fix and that is going to be obscenely expensive. The first two faults cleared by following the “deleting the fault codes” sequence in the factory manual. The 63 code refuses to clear. When turning on the ignition after the bike has been standing say overnight the ABS light comes on for 2 seconds and then goes out. You start the engine and whilst the engine cranks the ABS light comes on and goes out as soon as you release the starter. Then when you take it for a ride the ABS light will cut in sometimes within a couple of hundred yards sometimes it will take three miles or more. I have checked the ABS solenoid fuse and the ABS ECU fuse but I am having difficulty locating the ABS motor fuse. I am probably blind I can locate the main fuse no problem, can anyone tell me what I need to remove to find it? The other odd thing is after the bike has been run if you turn it off and then start it up again the ABS light comes on immediately every time until the bike has sat overnight. I just figure that it would be worth checking the hydraulic unit fuse and it connections before proceeding further. Any thoughts advice would be greatly appreciated
 

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As suggested, clean the sensor, first. Check for low fluid levels, front and rear. Check for excessive pad wear. When was the last time the fluid was changed? Do a physical check of the sensor wiring and of course the famous wiggle test, this will show as a flashing ABS light if the cable is bad or broken under the jacket. Do you ride off road? If so check the front and rear wheel sensor wiring.


Good Luck
 

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You asked for the location of the fuse. The manual shows that ABS is related to two fuses, and both are under the forward right fairing panels. That said, your issue sounds more like a bad ground or a short circuit.
 

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I think this is the 3rd post i've replied to on this subject. I had the same thing happen to me in Mexico. I tried cleaning the sensors, no luck. By pure accident i removed the battery and noticed the ground post had gunk and burn marks like it had a bad connection. I cleaned up the contact surfaces, reconnected the battery and voila. Problem solved. Give it a try, its free.
 

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First my apologies for disappearing without a trace. I had to get on a plane to the UK as my father was dying, which was expected. Anyway I have now returned to the islands and have checked the site to see that a number of people have responded with helpful suggestions. I had removed the POS battery lead overnight without any effect and I cleaned both brass connectors on the leads and battery with a Dremel wire brush. The battery is only about six months old a Yaesu and the volts read fine at 12.9v with the ignition off without the engine running and then rises to 14/14.2v when running across a wide rev range. With a 40 amp alternator the battery should not be being asked for anything unless the ABS cuts in and even then the alternator should be able to supply most if not all. Thanks for the ABS motor fuse location the fuse was fine. I have a 2010 original Yamaha shop manual and I cannot find the diagram that you have sent me, but yes idiot, it was staring me right in the face but covered with little sealing caps. I have just performed the hydraulic unit tests in section 4-72 both test 1 and 2. Test 1 First install the diagnostic test lead turn on the ignition and operate both levers and hold for the duration of the test. The first test ran fine the hydraulic motor running with a sequence of pluses on the brake lever followed by the pedal and then the front lever again. The second test turn the kill switch off, turn the ignition on, press and hold the start button for more than four seconds then operate both levers together. This test also produced the same results motor running first brake lever then foot pedal then brake lever then motor stop. This was repeated for test 2 and the same result was achieved. When the test was run for the third time, nothing! I tried the first test again and nothing. I then tried starting the bike and the relay just clicked and then on the third or fourth push it cranked but did not want to fire. I immediately measured the battery voltage 12.9/13v switched off. I tried starting it again and the same clicks and then turning the engine over kinda lazy it eventually it fired up. I had ridden the bike today and started it six times during the course of my journey with no hint of a problem. The starter has always sounded as if it was struggling a bit but it never failed to fire by the first or second rotation. I will take it to my shop tomorrow and start digging for the electrical connections starting with the frame and ABS grounds. Before that just for what it’s worth I will connect it up to a jump pack and repeat the hydraulic motor tests, after all that motor has a 30 amp fuse but it still makes no sense that the diagnostics refuses to give up the idea that it is the front brake pressure sensor. Perhaps I should also put the jump pack in the top box and run a couple of #10 wires between it and the positive and a new engine frame ground, and take it for a run it cannot hurt. The sensors have been cleaned and the wiring checked carefully where it could have been nicked or chaffed. Yes it’s a wake up call, time to change the fluid, I will check the pads but with just under 6K on it I doubt that they will be shot. I am hoping that it is something as daft as a ground but I am also leaning towards a connection between cells in the battery itself. Presumably the ABS controller can log a fault in a fraction of a second so if my battery internal connections go iffy this might account for an over voltage reading in the split second that it took the regulator to react as my first ABS diagnostics disclosed. The other thing is that after the bike has sat it can take anything from the first 100 yards to 5 miles for the ABS light to stay on. Has anyone used a lithium battery, if so how did you get on and how does the standard lead acid charging system suit the lithium?
 

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You mention you cleaned the positive battery terminal, did you clean the ground terminal as well? This is the terminal that i found corroded. The way the battery is positioned allows moisture, bugs, and gunk in general to collect on the negative battery post. The first day i had issues with the ABS and dead dash i cleaned the positive battery lead, similar to your troubleshooting, which did nothing to solve the ABS light or dead dash problem. It wasnt until the second day that i had to completely remove the battery that i was able to fix the problem.
 

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Paragraphs Dude - Read up about paragraphs!
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You asked about lithium batteries and there are a number of threads by folks who have installed them. They require a spacer to install and while they work, their discharge curves are wonderful for starting big engines. But they do have enough downsides that I recommended staying with AGM in those threads, which is also what the OEM specifies. If you want more grunt, there is a slightly more powerful AGM in the same casing.
 

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;DYes I do ride off road, rough limestone tracks. I cleaned both battery terminals and leads, checked and cleaned the sensors, inspected the sensor leads, checked the wear indicators on the pads and the fluid levels, all fine. I tried a jump pack through a direct engine ground. The first hydraulic test worked then the second test did nothing again. I checked the jump pack by disconnecting the battery and the bike fired up.
The ECU refuses to clear fault code 63. Bike on the lift and tank off. I located the direct battery ground terminal on the engine casing and another double ground just behind it which I assume goes to the frame? I did not locate the other ends. Anyway both looked in out of the box condition, nothing to suggest a poor connection but I cleaned them anyway.
I then removed the ECU coupler to test the “delete function test”. It says do not use a tool! I could not even see the coupler with when trying to access the release button with my finger. I gave up and pressed the button with my finger and gently pressed on the orange lock lever with a screwdriver. After removing the cover it exposes the wires which are hermetically sealed. The manual then suggests you reconnect the plug without its cover and probe various wires to obtain readings. How do you probe wires that are sealed? How do you attach DVM probes at a right angle down the side of a 2” box without the slightest chance of seeing what you are doing? I guess the only way would be to break the integrity of the insulation on the wires. Forget that.
I resorted to reassembly. I went straight to the delete fault codes routine and the after rapidly pushing the start button again, (more than 10 times in 4 seconds) the ABS light went out and then after a few seconds blinked every .5 second intervals. Fault cleared??? I went for a five mile ride, including a one mile very rough track and the LED was still out? I hesitate to say that this is the end of the problem, what did I do?
 

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:-[ Well the reset lasted 30 miles. In between the reset and the failure I flushed the brakes, I found very little discoloration in the fluid. The back brake pedal rides a little higher but that aside nothing different in the feel or performance of the brakes. Now there is no ABS again. I have tried a reset but it reverts to error 63. I had installed a rear brake light flasher about two years ago. This was just connected to a license plate with LED’s. I have not measured the current but I doubt that it amounts to much but I disconnected it anyway. Still no joy. I would have thought that if it was going to cause a problem it would have done so much sooner than now. I could do with finding the frame grounds so if anyone knows exactly where to look that would be a help. Aside of that it looks like a new hydraulic unit. You would be as sick as a parrot if after replacing the unit you still had the problem.
 

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The expensive antiskid module has died on several owners here and at least one, eemsreno, is running his bike without it.

At some point it is worth having a trusted dealer mechanic do a diagnosis, and when you've run out of things that you and the collective can think of - it may be the right time.
 

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I would be happy to take it to a dealer but that would cost far more than replacing the hydraulic unit ($1200 Yamaha Sports Plaza) as the nearest dealer would be 575 miles away across the ocean to Miami, customs registration in and out creating and shipping, ouch!
 

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Could someone point me to how to" Clear Fault codes " in my 2014 Tenere ES ? I replaced the front sensor wire, but Light still is on!
 

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scopeusa said:
I would be happy to take it to a dealer but that would cost far more than replacing the hydraulic unit ($1200 Yamaha Sports Plaza) as the nearest dealer would be 575 miles away across the ocean to Miami, customs registration in and out creating and shipping, ouch!
I am reactivating this old post because I have exactly the same problem with the ABS warning light coming on (code 63) after a couple of km.

Sometimes I can make it go away by stopping and turning the engine off and on again but that does not always work. Leaving the bike alone for a couple of hours always does the trick (until now). I can delete the code, There are no loose connections (that I can find....) and the battery itself is in exellent shape.

All this makes me very curious about how this has ended. Did you find a cause and what have you done to solve this?
 

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Nothing has changed and the last time the front wheel was off was spring last year. (New tires)

What drives me nuts is that the error is intermittent. ::010::
Sometimes all is just fine even during a long ride and sometimes the ABS light suddenly pops up after a variabel distance. Everything between 5 and 50km.
Sometimes the light goes off by just switching the bike of and on again but sometimes it just refuses to go off. What works then is leave the bike alone for a couple of hours and all is fine again. :question:
Up to now I was able to clear the error so that is also telling me that the fault is not always there. The description of code 63 is "Front brake master cylinder pressure sensor is defective" and in my book a sensor is a) defective or b)just fine.
My gut feeling is telling me that it is a wiring/connector problem but I have not the faintest idea where that sensor is located. My guess is that it is part of/inside the hydraulic unit?

I just hope that scopeusa is reading this because I am VERY interested in what he did to solve it.
 

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Have to checked the front abs wiring going into the wheel? It has been known to be put back incorrectly and then it starts to rub until the wires break....
 

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I started having an ABS problem last week which seems very similar to this. If the bike is left overnight the abs light will go out but once the engine has been running for about 3 minutes, wether the bike has moved or not, the abs light will come on. I took it in to my local Yamaha dealer who checked the diagnostics. They have not told me what error codes were displayed but they did say that the indications pointed to a faulty speedo/dash. Unfortunately they cannot guarantee that there is nothing else underlying that could cause the dash unit to be faulty and as the new dash unit is a non returnable item I could end up with a dash unit that I didn't need as well as the cost of the next component that may need to be replaced. As a trial, they have kindly offered to fit a dash off a bike they have up for sale but if any damage happens to this unit I would be expected to pay for it. To be fair to the dealership I think they are trying to help as best they can but I am very disappointed with Yamaha that they won't stand by their diagnostics and that they expect the customer to pay for very expensive items that may not necessarily have been needed. I'm not sure what to do next but I might take them up on their offer of fitting the used unit and hope that nothing untoward happens to it
 
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