A More Affordable Flash Option?

Rookst9

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Thankyou Anthony for the ECU Flash! It certainly improves the engine response amazingly. Best affordable upgrade! The modes are so different. Not sure if T mode will ever be used as S mode is by far much more useful. Hate to be in T mode if I need to throttle out of a bad situation.
Anyway, great modification and thank you for the quick turn around although the weather still hit or miss in CNY. More miss.


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MeefZah

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Just put some miles on an ECU flashed by Anthony.

I got his "normal" flash.

So far, I'm pleased. S feels powerful without being snatchy, and it's easier to shift smoothly in the lower gears as engine braking is reduced. T feels less powerful than S, but more powerful than OEM T mode. It's extremely smooth all through the gear range also with reduced engine braking.

Current cost is $225 including shipping, and it took me a week from time of mailing it out to receiving it back. Communication was good and fast via email.
 

Rookst9

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Take the s mode off road and you'll see the power RIP up the dirt. A little throttle and your power sliding around forest roads. It feels like a 2 stroke when its wrapped up in the revs. Gears 1 thru 4 as fast as you can. Real fun!

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Dshane

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Yes Anthony is still doing them. I just sent and received mine (mailed it Friday afternoon, I received it today, Thursday) 6 days total. What a difference! Much more enjoyable to ride. I don't take it off road so can't comment on that, but no more jerkiness when taking off or slow speed. Just pure joy to ride now. It wasn't terrible before, just now it's fun!!
Anthony was very quick in responding to questions and emails. He did what he said he would do. Great job and great vendor. Would do it again if needed. Oh, he did the "normal" flash.
Dave
 

LukeDuke

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I have a 2016 ES model that has had the ECU flashed/modified by 2 Wheel Dyno Works. It has a Yoshimura pipe on it and the reflash on the ECU was done with consideration of the Yoshimura pipe. I took the Yoshimura pipe off and will be putting a OEM exhaust back on from a 2017 model. I did not like how loud it was and want the stock exhaust on. 2 Wheel Dyno Works told me I should reflash the ECU or risk the bike running rich and fouling spark plugs. Do you think that's true? Do I need a flash again now if I run an OEM exhaust? Would like to avoid flashing it again if possible but wondering what others think here?
 

Bill_C

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Admittedly I don't know what all they did to the mapping, but I would be inclined to agree with them about the re-flash. Going from free flowing exhaust back to stock will require less fuel. I assume they mapped it for more fuel the first time, so they would map it to stock fueling with the stock exhaust.

Keep in mind that I am using carburetor logic and applying it to EFI, but in the carb world we'd add bigger jets if we opened up the exhaust. Sounds logical that the same (more fuel) would hold true with EFI mapping. Conversely, we'd add smaller jets if we took the exhaust back to stock. Seems like the same would apply here, thus re-flash for less fuel.

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TenereJourneyMan

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Admittedly I don't know what all they did to the mapping, but I would be inclined to agree with them about the re-flash. Going from free flowing exhaust back to stock will require less fuel. I assume they mapped it for more fuel the first time, so they would map it to stock fueling with the stock exhaust.

Keep in mind that I am using carburetor logic and applying it to EFI, but in the carb world we'd add bigger jets if we opened up the exhaust. Sounds logical that the same (more fuel) would hold true with EFI mapping. Conversely, we'd add smaller jets if we took the exhaust back to stock. Seems like the same would apply here, thus re-flash for less fuel.

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This is sound logic.
 

kjetil4455

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I am thinking about starting to offer flashing for Teneres. As some of you may know, I worked with Flash Tune to unlock the mystery of the Tenere ECU. I've been working for ~6 months on/off making a "flash" that I am pretty happy with and I wanted to make sure the process was reliable and risk free. I have now flashed my personal ECU over 2 dozen times with no issues.

I have flashed a few others and the reviews are quite positive, here is one from OKLRIDER:

"Skimming this thread, I came across an offer from ac (avc8130) in one of his posts that he'd be willing to flash others' ECMs as an experiment. He'd already developed what he thought was a pretty solid flash, and simply wanted opinions. After some emails back and forth, I took him up on it. ::008::

We talked back and forth about riding style, likes, dislikes, etc. A couple of shipping labels, a cardboard box, and a ride to the UPS Store later...it was off. I anxiously awaited the return of my black box, riding the wife's KLX250 in the interim. About a week or so later, it was back! Like a kid at Christmas I was into the package, and out to the garage. Reassembly, check. Ignition on, check. Starter, and it still runs...woohoo! :D My initial impressions after coming back on it from the KLX were words that would probably get me banned. ::26::

He ended up putting three different maps in; one for standard 'T', one for standard 'S', and one in experimental that we'll call '2S'. Right out of the box the difference was noticeable in both 'T' and 'S', but I quickly fell in love with '2S'. This extra map is accessed with the CJM. Had I known then what I know now, it'd probably be my 'S' map. ::024::

I've been running around with his flash for about 800mi now. 600 of that was on a road trip, the other 200 from commuting. I wanted to get a more solid and honest feel for it before posting an impulse "OMG! This is the best thing ever!" response. My main goal was throttle response, and boy did I get it with '2S'! It's like an on/off switch now. Daddy like! You can ride it like a hooligan. Guilty. Or you can cruise at 80 in high gear, and accelerate further with ease. It's hard to describe without being too dramatic. You really have to ride one to feel the difference. It's really amazing the difference a few 1s and 0s can make.

This is a small, one Tenere town, so I've got nothing to compare it to but memory....but wow...big difference over stock. Ac was/is a standup guy. Knows his stuff, and was cool enough to share knowledge to help promote this small market that we all ride in. Well worth the effort. ::008:: ::26:: ::001::"

I'm thinking of offering my flash service for $100 plus round trip shipping. I don't want to infringe on Chris' service at Flash Tune, and that is what he charges.

I can customize the flash quite a bit, offering different throttle maps (Both T and S modes) as well as different engine braking or timing. Fan temps are adjustable, and we can even setup a quick shifter!

For those with PCV's, I can attempt to write your fuel maps straight to the ECU.

Anyone interested?

ac

EDIT:

Pay attention to this thread! This is a fluid situation. The flash itself is evolving. The shipping/pricing/policies are evolving. I realize there are quite a few pages and many posts, if there is any question/confusion feel free to PM me.
Friend,

Not intending to steal your thread here, just want to ask a question as I am in the same situation, ish.
I live in Colombia and there are no ECU flash services here. I don't want to send my ECU abroad, as it will take a long time to get it back, so I figured I'd buy a flashing setup and do it myself.

How much of a hassle is it to do this? I bought the equipment and the mapping from 2wheel dynoworks, as they were recommended by another user on here.

Thanks so much.
 

kmasa58

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Tenman,

Well the ECU on my S10 can be removed relatively easiler from its mounted position. From what I saw at 2WDW, all that's requried is plugging in the correct connectors to yoru laptop with the proper app for down/up loading fuel map which really doesn't take much. However, the most crucial point is that the map / changes you're making to the fuel mapping is 'compatible' with your set up. I would consult 2WDW to make sure your setup matches the fuel map that you've purchased.
 

Tenman

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I had mine flashed by Avc8130. Also have a PCV. If I had it to do again. I wouldn't buy the PCV. The flash is all I needed. It killed the hair trigger mine had. It was terrible in 1st and 2nd gear. It caused me a few dirt naps
 
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outdoor

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Where do we find detail on Anthony flash? Dyno before/after... How much HP does it add? I hear there are flashes that are supposed to add another 20HP and 10-15ftlbs of torque. I also am confused at what the original HP and torque are since some say 110-112 HP, but then I read like 94 HP elsewhere.
 

kjetil4455

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Where do we find detail on Anthony flash? Dyno before/after... How much HP does it add? I hear there are flashes that are supposed to add another 20HP and 10-15ftlbs of torque. I also am confused at what the original HP and torque are since some say 110-112 HP, but then I read like 94 HP elsewhere.
The stock bike on a dyno gives about 85hp they say. With the flash and some exhaust upgrades you reach 100-105 ish (big difference)
 

hulkss

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I had mine flashed by Avc8130. Also have a PCV. If I had it to do again. I wouldn't buy the PCV. The flash is all I needed. It killed the hair trigger mine had. It was terrible in 1st and 2nd gear. It caused me a few dirt naps
I would not buy the PCV either, I'm using the PV3 (both are from Dynojet).
 

Kruzzin5

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Where do we find detail on Anthony flash? Dyno before/after... How much HP does it add? I hear there are flashes that are supposed to add another 20HP and 10-15ftlbs of torque. I also am confused at what the original HP and torque are since some say 110-112 HP, but then I read like 94 HP elsewhere.
I got mine done at Speedlab in Newmarket. The difference is night/day, much better overall performance.
 

WJBertrand

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Part of the confusion about power is manufacturers usually claim power measured at the crankshaft, whereas most (if not all) measurements done outside of the manufacturer are measured at the rear wheel. There’s about a 15% loss through the power train, so reported power by rear wheel dynos will always be lower.

The claim of an extra 20 hp from a tune is, in my opinion, bogus. I’m thinking closer to +5 or less. More importantly is the massive improvement in drivability.


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