A few Oil FILTER Questions...

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Anybody know size, part #, availability in US, compatible filters, etc...? for those of us that might choose the hard break in method and need to change oil and filter fairly quickly...

and oh ya... anybody know what oil comes in the ST? is it added at dealer usually? NOT AN OIL THREAD, but what oil is (weight/type, not BRAND) recommended in owners manual?

sorry if been discussed already... thanks
 

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10W-30 for 10F to 70 F, 10W-40 for 10F to 110F, 10W-50 for 10F to 120F.

I am hoping that it is the same as the FZ1. I have Purolator filters for it.

HTH,
 

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I think the Yamaha oil filter part # is 5GH-13440-20
which crosses to :
Purolator ML16817
Bosch 3300
Walmart ST6607
Emgo 10-82240
Hiflo 204
Fram 6017A
 

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This will be my first Yamaha. Do they do the same thing Suzuki does on their standard/sport bikes? They have one filter that fits everything. From the V-Strom to the Bandit to the GSXR line. Just wondering if Yamaha does that too.
 

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Kidder said:
This will be my first Yamaha. Do they do the same thing Suzuki does on their standard/sport bikes? They have one filter that fits everything. From the V-Strom to the Bandit to the GSXR line. Just wondering if Yamaha does that too.
Yes, pretty much....... and the same filter that fits all my Metric bikes fits my wife's Honda car aswell..... LOL Nice and easy.... LOL
 

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justbob said:
I think the Yamaha oil filter part # is 5GH-13440-20
which crosses to :
Purolator ML16817
Bosch 3300
Walmart ST3300
Emgo 10-82240
Hiflo 204
Fram 6017A

Might add..... MOBIL 1 M-110
 

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Scroll down to footnote [5] on this page and you can see recommendations for our bike.

http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/FilterXRef.html

Cheap types seem to gravitate to the Walmart SuperTech ST7317 around $2, but the Mobil 1 M1-110 and the Purolator PL-14610 also receive recommendations. Our filter also cross-refs to a lot of Honda cars, including the family Pilot in our house.

But.... my bike will see nothing but a Yamaha filter while it is in warranty. Not saying its a better filter, just don't want any hassles if the worst happens during warranty.

- Mark
 

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I just did some research. The Ph6017A FRAM is the same dimensions and specs as most Honda Car filters, only shorter. We sell filters here at work in the heavy trucking industry, and I have both a long and a short version of this on my shelf in Baldwin!!! Yeah, i know people will say "Who is Baldwin?" but Baldwin is one of the largest filter manufacturers in the world.
I am checking on case prices as I speak!!!
Baldwin B1402 (medium length) B1400 (short version like PH6017A) There is also a longer version B1431 (i doubt this would fit with a skid plate installed).
 

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HoebSTer said:
I just did some research. The Ph6017A FRAM is the same dimensions and specs as most Honda Car filters, only shorter. We sell filters here at work in the heavy trucking industry, and I have both a long and a short version of this on my shelf in Baldwin!!! Yeah, i know people will say "Who is Baldwin?" but Baldwin is one of the largest filter manufacturers in the world.
I am checking on case prices as I speak!!!
Baldwin B1402 (medium length) B1400 (short version like PH6017A) There is also a longer version B1431 (i doubt this would fit with a skid plate installed).
As long as we are covered in the old "meet or exceed all applicable" (you know how the rest goes................. so there is never an oil filter related warranty issue.
 

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Yes of course, Baldwin is good to work with customer service and area reps for any issues at hand. If there are ever any issues, they can always take a filter to do a cross analysis of the filter to determine a cause. The only issues we see here are damaged ones from the freight companies mis-handling!!! We do $5-10k in filters a month.
 

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As long as we are covered in the old "meet or exceed all applicable" (you know how the rest goes................. so there is never an oil filter related warranty issue.
Rod,
I wanted to check out Baldwin filters on their site, and you will have no problems with them. Additionally, they referenced the FTC. Here's an interesting link to help put your mind at ease regarding aftermarket parts and service. Helped me out. Turns out Honda tried to do some arm twisting to sell their parts. Check it out: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/alerts/alt192.shtm
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ColoRider said:
As long as we are covered in the old "meet or exceed all applicable" (you know how the rest goes................. so there is never an oil filter related warranty issue.
Well, good luck if your engine spins a rod bearing and you take it in with a car filter on it. The "meets or exceeds..." is the mfg's claim and is not self-evident to Yamaha. Believe me, if the repair is major, they'll push back. Granted, its a small risk because the chance of any type of lubication-related engine failure these days is so small, but it is a risk, and not worth it to me to save $5 during that first year of warranty.

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SisuTen said:
Rod,
I wanted to check out Baldwin filters on their site, and you will have no problems with them. Additionally, they referenced the FTC. Here's an interesting link to help put your mind at ease regarding aftermarket parts and service. Helped me out. Turns out Honda tried to do some arm twisting to sell their parts. Check it out: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/alerts/alt192.shtm
Paul
Thanks Paul!!! Interesting read.

:)
 

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markjenn said:
Well, good luck if your engine spins a rod bearing and you take it in with a car filter on it. The "meets or exceeds..." is the mfg's claim and is not self-evident to Yamaha. Believe me, if the repair is major, they'll push back. Granted, its a small risk because the chance of any type of lubication-related engine failure these days is so small, but it is a risk, and not worth it to me to save $5 during that first year of warranty.

- Mark
If the filter is deemed at fault, the manufacturer of the filter takes the responsibility - that is at least if you are using the correct cross-reference filter.
 

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What oil you guys planing on using after break in ? I normally go Mobil One or Amsoil....
 

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ColoRider said:
If the filter is deemed at fault, the manufacturer of the filter takes the responsibility - that is at least if you are using the correct cross-reference filter.
You think FRAM, Puralotor, or Walmart is going to pay for a new Super Tenere engine after it experiences a lubrication-related failure? For an application they don't list as applicable to their filter? Absolutely no way. At best, you might be able to harangue them to some kind of settlement after you show hard evidence their filter caused the failure and threaten a lawsuit, but it could take years to get this to happen. If you have a car filter on your bike and it suffers a major failure that can in any way be construed to be caused by the filter, you're almost guaranteed to be in a classic finger-pointing situation where Yamaha will deny warranty coverage because of the filter and the filter mfg will deny it is their fault or that they have any liability.

And cross-references aren't gospel - they generally mean one filter will screw on where another does and hopefully not leak, but they don't guarantee that two filters are functionally equivalent in filtering ability, pressure drop, capacity, bypass provisions, or anti-drainback provisions, etc.

Believe me, I'm not an OEM filter zealot and have used non-OEM many times in the past. My FJR has a Walmart Supertech on it right now. Many aftermarket filters are probably better than OEM. But as I said before, for the relatively brief warranty period (which is the highest risk period for some kind of weird/major failure), I'd strongly suggest you stick to OEM to avoid any possibility of warranty issues.

- Mark
 

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All I'm saying is that part of the manufacturer's responsibility when they state that their filter meets or exceeds the OEM requirements is they are basically saying that they can be held responsible for an oil related engine failure if caused by their filter. They are in fact liable for the cost of repair, if the damage is attributed to their product.
 

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ColoRider said:
All I'm saying is that part of the manufacturer's responsibility when they state that their filter meets or exceeds the OEM requirements is they are basically saying that they can be held responsible for an oil related engine failure if caused by their filter. They are in fact liable for the cost of repair, if the damage is attributed to their product.
+1

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ColoRider said:
All I'm saying is that part of the manufacturer's responsibility when they state that their filter meets or exceeds the OEM requirements is they are basically saying that they can be held responsible for an oil related engine failure if caused by their filter. They are in fact liable for the cost of repair, if the damage is attributed to their product.
As I said before, none of the car filter mfgs say their filter meets or exceeds Yamaha's requirements for a motorcycle application. Call 'em up and ask. And even if the would, you would likely have to go to court to get them to pay for a repair.

- Mark
 
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