Life! (corona virus, non informative, non hysterical post)

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Please take care when accepting medical advice from a motorcycle forum.

Aspirin is often used for 'blood thinning' due to its action of inhibiting platelet aggregation predominantly in the arterial side of the vascular tree. Prevention of strokes and heart attacks due to atherosclerosis being the goal.

Blood thinners associated with a screen sounds like warfarin and a venal cava screen. ie the venous half of the vascular tree.

COVID-19 clotting problems seem to be more like DIC.

If you are unfamiliar with the adverse effects of aspirin, the therapeutic uses of warfarin, the risk factors for thromboembolism and DIC in general, please do not do anything that someone on a motorcycle suggests you should try or even consider.

Follow the advice of your health authorities and don't self medicate coz you read about something on the net.
Now there's some VERY GOOD ADVICE!!!
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I've heard the supposed benefits of a baby aspirin for as long as I can remember but also know that my Dad was warned to NOT do it. He had regular acid reflex and his doctor knew he would have a number of drinks every evening. I think the actual doctor said it best with:

Please take care when accepting medical advice from a motorcycle forum.
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If you are unfamiliar with the adverse effects of aspirin, the therapeutic uses of warfarin, the risk factors for thromboembolism and DIC in general, please do not do anything that someone on a motorcycle suggests you should try or even consider.

Follow the advice of your health authorities and don't self medicate coz you read about something on the net.
 

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With regards to stories of aspirin super successes and folklore remedies: " the plural of anecdote is not data, it is anecdotes". I am cautious of motorcycle advice I get on the internet and this forum, there is not a hope I would accept any of your medical advice.

I will read your "anecdotes" but then I will do my research if I think any of them have merit. Then I will discuss with one or health professionals.

I must say though, the hippy vs Thalamide story was entertaining. Might make a good movie if crossed with Easyrider. Haha

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With regards to stories of aspirin super successes and folklore remedies: " the plural of anecdote is not data, it is anecdotes". I am cautious of motorcycle advice I get on the internet and this forum, there is not a hope I would accept any of your medical advice.

I will read your "anecdotes" but then I will do my research if I think any of them have merit. Then I will discuss with one or health professionals.

I must say though, the hippy vs Thalamide story was entertaining. Might make a good movie if crossed with Easyrider. Haha

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I heard that if you are tested and have antibodies they are throwing you into the Covid positive pile and they keep pushing testing so that they can keep reporting that Covid numbers are increasing. Is covid going away or are the politicians trying to keep it going? I know many countries have quit testing. China only locked down 16 days outside of Wuhan. Japan has 126 million people and had 851 covid deaths but the US has 320+ million with 100,000 deaths. Why did Japan only have 851 when they didn’t go into lockdown?


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Please don't ban @OX-34 again! We need a voice of reason in this thread - and besides that his posts put a smile on my face.

Here in Denmark the corona situation is well in hand (for now anyway) and things are slowly returning to normal - or as normal as things can get with the social distancing measures still in effect.
Most everything has reopened including schools, public offices and sport facilities.
The borders are gradually reopening as well, allowing Danish citizens to visit a few select number of countries and the citizens of those countries to visit Denmark.

We are still a long way from how things used to be, but everyday life for most people have more or less returned to normal.
 

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I heard that if you are tested and have antibodies they are throwing you into the Covid positive pile and they keep pushing testing so that they can keep reporting that Covid numbers are increasing. Is covid going away or are the politicians trying to keep it going? I know many countries have quit testing. China only locked down 16 days outside of Wuhan. Japan has 126 million people and had 851 covid deaths but the US has 320+ million with 100,000 deaths. Why did Japan only have 851 when they didn’t go into lockdown?


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In the UK we count those who have died with Covid (or with Covid symptoms) not from Covid. Like in Belgium, there is a suspicion that there could be overcounting, but without knowing how doctors across the world record cause of death it is difficult to make meaningful comparisons. Doctors here list a few likely causes of death and if Covid is in the list it counts as a Covid death.
 

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I see a fashion trend in which there is a concern over counting COVID deaths. People who die while testing positive for COVID may be counted as COVID deaths. I suspect the practice varies from hospital to hospital or jurisdiction to jurisdiction. There's also the fashion to note complicating factors - people with lung issues or heart issues may be more susceptible to COVID but they were going to die anyway, so really don't count.

I'm not sure I understand the concern that people have. In the end, COVID certainly exacerbates underlying conditions. But to not count deaths as being associated with COVID is pretty risky, too. We need a full picture to understand the spread and ultimately understand the risk factors associates the death or long term injury.

I'm far from a medical professional so don't want to pretend to understand death or debilitation classification systems and practices. But it's my understand that COVID deaths are associated with an immune system reaction that causes the death. Too much fluid in the lungs, etc. So can we say that any COVID-associated death was really due to COVID? It's not like it's a tiger eating you. If that's the case or a large portion of the cases, it seems reasonable to count a death as COVID if the reasons for death are associated with COVID. Frankly, I'd rather know. Technically we all die from lack of oxygen to the brain, so can we really say a tiger eating us is the cause of death?

No answers or solutions here. Really more questions. But I think it's appropriate to follow good medical practice in any of this, whether avoiding transmission or in how cases and deaths get reported.

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If you are wanting to ride in NZ we are hosting a "Virus Buster Run" The ride goes from Auckland to The Burt Munro Challenge and back again over 12 days. We have pre-selected bars in each town for riders to meet at the end of each day. There is live music organised where possible and raffle tickets are sold for a COVID-related charity. The purpose of this run is to twist the throttle on the economy by bringing business to New Zealand's hard-hit restaurants, bars, hotels, motels and retail outlets. You can check it out here: Planet Chopper New Zealand motorcycle tours. Safe riding and gidday from down under!
 

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Such a simple way to show this.

Not so simple at all. First problem I have is it’s from Facebook- cause everything on there is truth.

A more detailed study with more information needs to be given. Such as:

What type of mask? Cloth, n95, paper, copper lined, gas?

How long had mask been worn? Band new, 5 minutes, 30 minutes, 1 hour, all day?

Was the person doing such test Covid 19 positive? How well does a mask stop Covid transmission?

Ask any professional car painter what wearing the wrong or ineffective mask does. Paint/chemical vapor is a hella lot bigger than virus particles.

A good study needs to be done. Not just “I got it off Facebook, it’s got to be true”.
 

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Not so simple at all. First problem I have is it’s from Facebook- cause everything on there is truth.

A more detailed study with more information needs to be given. Such as:

What type of mask? Cloth, n95, paper, copper lined, gas?

How long had mask been worn? Band new, 5 minutes, 30 minutes, 1 hour, all day?

Was the person doing such test Covid 19 positive? How well does a mask stop Covid transmission?

Ask any professional car painter what wearing the wrong or ineffective mask does. Paint/chemical vapor is a hella lot bigger than virus particles.

A good study needs to be done. Not just “I got it off Facebook, it’s got to be true”.
While I'd technically agree, especially if I had to show up in court with the results, coughing or just blowing into a petri dish is done in high school biology lab classes. That's what I like about the photo is that it is so simple that is so visible, so many people have done it, can understand it, and relate to it.
 

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The problem with posts like the picture of the Petri dish is that it gives people a false sense of security.
“Im wearing a mask, I can go out and be in a crowd of 5000 people and it’s ok”.

touch that same Petri dish with your finger And see the results. Is wearing gloves the“new normal”? Where does it stop? Is walking around in a “bubble” the “new normal”?
 

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Good write....agree with you.
The U.K. screwed up, Canada really screwed up due to lack of leadership as well
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The problem with posts like the picture of the Petri dish is that it gives people a false sense of security.
“Im wearing a mask, I can go out and be in a crowd of 5000 people and it’s ok”.

touch that same Petri dish with your finger And see the results. Is wearing gloves the“new normal”? Where does it stop? Is walking around in a “bubble” the “new normal”?
The point of the masks is so that you reduce your possible transmission to others. The petri dish explains that just fine. But I agree that many people people can't seem to understand that. But if they choose to start wearing a mask as a result of the petri dish, then that at least gives everyone else a level of protection from them. I'll call it a win.

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Wearing a mask doesn't give me any false sense of security. Until there is a proven treatment and/or a vaccine, it's about all we can do to protect ourselves (along with social distancing, washing hands etc..) The few times I have gone into a store lately, I have worn a mask and gloves and kept my distance from everyone. I need to make sure I'm around to spend my retirement money so my kids don't. BTW Harbor Freight has nitrile gloves, 50 pair for abut $7. I keep a supply for working on the bikes and other vehicles. Now if I could only find some real N95 masks.

The comment by jbrown about ATGATT kind of applies here too. We wear our helmets, jackets, pants, gloves and boots because it's about all we can do to protect ourselves while riding.
 

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Our Harbor Freights have a paper sign taped up that all gloves are being donated. Fortunately, I still have a few boxes.
 
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