The new Mitas E07 Adventure tire (tyre)

patrickg450 said:

Which Mitas is that? Guess I am getting confused with all the different choices.......

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The yellow stripe indicates it's a Dakar version. The tread pattern shows it's an E07+, so E07+ Dakar, (what Chris recently claimed didn't exist, except there are multiple pictures of it from forum members in this thread).

SO thats what I thought, I have run the DAKAR b4 and they are currently ob the bike. Wonder why they discontinued them.

patrickg450 said:

SO thats what I thought, I have run the DAKAR b4 and they are currently ob the bike. Wonder why they discontinued them.

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Mitas leadership got conned by some young tire engineer that they needed a tire with better "performance" for big trailies. I asked them directly. They suggested that while they full well knew that longevity would be less, they believed customers wanted more traction and would give up longevity. They were wrong, sales jumped with the new tire, then dropped like a rock until they came out with the Dakar version again, albeit a Dakar version of the E07+ instead of just giving us back the more proven E07 Dakar.

Very few corporations can suck it up and drop a new line after all the hype and investment and return to the prior version of the product. If they were smart, they would quietly return the big trailie sizes to the original E07 Dakar line and let the customers show them where demand really is.

EricV said:

Mitas leadership got conned by some young tire engineer that they needed a tire with better "performance" for big trailies. I asked them directly. They suggested that while they full well knew that longevity would be less, they believed customers wanted more traction and would give up longevity. They were wrong, sales jumped with the new tire, then dropped like a rock until they came out with the Dakar version again, albeit a Dakar version of the E07+ instead of just giving us back the more proven E07 Dakar.

Very few corporations can suck it up and drop a new line after all the hype and investment and return to the prior version of the product. If they were smart, they would quietly return the big trailie sizes to the original E07 Dakar line and let the customers show them where demand really is.

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Frustrating for me, I found a tires I like and "POOF" it is gone, guess I will go with the E09 Dakar......

patrickg450 said:

Frustrating for me, I found a tires I like and "POOF" it is gone, guess I will go with the E09 Dakar......

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Patrick, I'm sure you are going to be able to find a tire that will work for your application. You just have to figure out if you want to sacrifice traction for longevity. As Eric stated, most customers are looking at longevity over traction. It's one of the reasons the E07 Dakar was such a popular tire. There is no denying that the rubber was so hard on that tire, it outlasted many street only tires.

There are a very rare group of riders like myself that are all about the traction.

ballisticexchris said:

... It's one of the reasons the E07 Dakar was such a popular tire. There is no denying that the rubber was so hard on that tire, it outlasted many street only tires...

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I will deny that statement. So the fact that the rubber on that E-07 is so thick has nothing to do with its longevity? Tread depth new is 12mm. Once that 12mm is completely gone i.e. bald, racing slick tire there is still more rubber on top of the cords than a brand new street tire.

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I have felt the tread on those tires and it is a very hard compound for a 50/50 tire. And yes the tire is also very thick and beefy. Very heavy as well. I have not weighed one on a scale but have pulled one off the rack at the motorcycle shop. I actually thought about getting a set for my Beta long before purchasing my Super Tenere. The E07 Dakar tires for Super Tenere's and GS's were gathering dust on the tire racks. The best selling tire at the time was the TK80. I went with the Kenda Big Block.

At the rally's I have attended, mountains, and desert, I have only seen a very few big bikes with the E07. And to be fair I have yet to see anyone with Michelin Wild's (my tire) on any adventure bike. Almost every single 50/50 tire I have ever seen mounted and ridden with my own eyes in person has been a TK80 or Kenda Big Block. The TK80 tires are almost like a gummy rubber and pretty darn light. Kenda Big Blocks are cheap and have a bit harder compound. With so many tires to choose from, a durometer would be a wise investment.

I'm not a fan of heavy tires on my bikes. There is always a sacrifice on what we as riders are willing to put up with. Heavy tires affect the handling in too many negative ways. The lighter the unsprung weight the better for me. I like the ability to quickly change lines and the lighter feel of less rolling weight. The negative will be less tire life for better handling.

Here is a cutaway view of the E07 Dakar with 14,500 miles next to a TKC70 with 7800 miles. No denying it's a super duper heavy duty tire.

And here is a front with 24,000 miles and counting....

To my knowledge and reading this forum, Chris has NEVER actually used an E07 tire but, sure wants to sound like an expert on it. No offense but, geez man enough. Now I have ridden with “Silverbullet” and seen him ride on the E07, impressive. Most would be lucky to hang with him, on or off-road. Knobbies wouldn’t help most to keep up with him. Knobbies knobbies knobbies... still don’t make the Tenere a motocrosser or enduro bike. Run them if you like them.

EricV said:

Mitas leadership got conned by some young tire engineer that they needed a tire with better "performance" for big trailies. I asked them directly. They suggested that while they full well knew that longevity would be less, they believed customers wanted more traction and would give up longevity. They were wrong, sales jumped with the new tire, then dropped like a rock until they came out with the Dakar version again, albeit a Dakar version of the E07+ instead of just giving us back the more proven E07 Dakar.

Very few corporations can suck it up and drop a new line after all the hype and investment and return to the prior version of the product. If they were smart, they would quietly return the big trailie sizes to the original E07 Dakar line and let the customers show them where demand really is.

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See the response I got from Mitas in the 140/80-17 thread...

shredmeister said:

To my knowledge and reading this forum, Chris has NEVER actually used an E07 tire but, sure wants to sound like an expert on it. No offense but, geez man enough. Now I have ridden with “Silverbullet” and seen him ride on the E07, impressive. Most would be lucky to hang with him, on or off-road. Knobbies wouldn’t help most to keep up with him. Knobbies knobbies knobbies... still don’t make the Tenere a motocrosser or enduro bike. Run them if you like them.

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100% correct. I have never mounted or ridden a bike with a E07. I have been riding long enough to know the difference between a tire that performs to my standards and one that does not. I can tell by look and feel without trying it.

BTW, "keeping up" with a faster rider does no appeal to me. I ride to have fun and ride my own pace. Balance and control are up to me. Proper tires, brakes, and steering/chassis performance is up to the bike.

patrickg450 said:

Which Mitas is that? Guess I am getting confused with all the different choices.......

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The only E-07 that you can get anymore in the correct size is the E-07+

eemsreno said:

The only E-07 that you can get anymore in the correct size is the E-07+

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How is your + holding up?

Dirt_Dad said:

How is your + holding up?

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Proper question for Steve: How many of these have you worn out? (And how many miles did you get?)

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holligl said:

Proper question for Steve: How many of these have you worn out? (And how many miles did you get?)

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Proper question to Steve from from me is how does the tire perform? And I'm sure Steve can answer this. Just checking out some of his blogs he is way more of an advanced rider than the average guy like myself. I'm blown away where you have taken this 600+ lb beast! You ride the damn thing like a dirt bike!
Thank you in advance Sir.

Braking and cornering performance on the street:

Panic stop distance vs standard E07. Longer or shorter?

Cornering speed and feel?

Traction during trail braking?

Wet condition traction?

Off road:

Mud?

Deep sand?

Rocks?

Off camber?

Braking in loose rocks?

Dirt_Dad said:

How is your + holding up?

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Winter hit and tire tread depletion has come to a stop.
I have not completely wore out my E-07+ that was on the bike in Colorado.
When I got home I switched wheels again. then when I rode to Arkansas twice last fall I had a Knobby on once and another tire on the second time. I have yet to finish off the + tire but it has just over 10,000 miles.
The 17 Tenere has a + on it also but relatively new.

ballisticexchris said:

Proper question to Steve from from me is how does the tire perform? And I'm sure Steve can answer this. Just checking out some of his blogs he is way more of an advanced rider than the average guy like myself. I'm blown away where you have taken this 600+ lb beast! You ride the damn thing like a dirt bike!
Thank you in advance Sir.

Braking and cornering performance on the street:

Panic stop distance vs standard E07. Longer or shorter?

Cornering speed and feel?

Traction during trail braking?

Wet condition traction?

Off road:

Mud?

Deep sand?

Rocks?

Off camber?

Braking in loose rocks?

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Chris you ask me way to many questions.
That looks more like a test.

eemsreno said:

Chris you ask me way to many questions.
That looks more like a test.

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You do have a valid point Steve. I'm a weirdo with bikes. I do a lot of stupid drills, turns, practice panic stops, body position, etc on street and dirt. I don't have a natural talent like some guys. I change suspension settings and try different tires to find the best traction possible.

eemsreno said:

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Chris you ask me way to many questions.
That looks more like a test.

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Steve that's not a test that's only his quiz. Answer those and then the test with tougher questions and debate comes. LOL

I've read from you before that you like the tire. I believe you rated it even better than the old E-07. Now with the mileage update you gave above it appears to be a winner. I'll definitely be giving it a try after my old E-07 stock is exhausted.

Chris,
Why not try one and review/report all your detailed findings for us? After all cost and changing a tire isn't a consideration for you. If after spooning it on and riding awhile you really hate it I will buy the used tire from you. I'm in So Cal at least 3 times a year on the bike.

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SilverBullet said:

Steve that's not a test that's only his quiz. Answer those and then the test with tougher questions and debate comes. LOL

I've read from you before that you like the tire. I believe you rated it even better than the old E-07. Now with the mileage update you gave above it appears to be a winner. I'll definitely be giving it a try after my old E-07 stock is exhausted.

Chris,
Why not try one and review/report all your detailed findings for us? After all cost and changing a tire isn't a consideration for you. If after spooning it on and riding awhile you really hate it I will buy the used tire from you. I'm in So Cal at least 3 times a year on the bike.

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I'm happy with what I have on my bike now. I plan on wearing them out. I give my best effort to share detailed reviews of tires and keep personal notes on different suspension settings, braking, and tire characteristics.

Almost all motorcycle tire threads on the internet give very little contribution on tire performance. Even in the dirt bike world. It almost always ends up with "how many miles/races do they last".

At some point I just might try out an E07+ and see how it performs. For now my current super lightweight, sticky soft compound, well handling tires are doing the job just fine. I assure you the Mitas is going to be a passing fad in internet popularity. Give it another year or two and riders will move on to another tire.

In the meantime you might want to check out the local dealers here in Southern CA. Last I checked a few months back, Irv Seaver and Chaparral had one set each of the Mitas E07's for the Super Tenere/BMW GS. The ones at Chaparral were covered in dust. It's just not a good selling tire or popular for the type of riding that we have here.

I have contributed a very detailed description of tire performance from mounting to how it actually works. Of course it's not an E07 so no one is interested.
https://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?threads/michelin-anakee-wild-ongoing-performance-and-tire-life-review.26436/

I think riding objectives, and rider skillsets, have to be somewhat similar, between the reviewer and the reviewers' audience, for a tire review to have any significant meaning.

If Chris does ever actually try E07 plus his whole world might change.