MIMSEY
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2020 is Yamaha's Anniversary year, I have hear rumors that they would update it in 2020, but that is just a rumor.
Anyone know if the 2020 will be updated?
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Donk
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S10 is great as it is BUT a quick shifter would definitely help the bike go and in a perfect world a few more rpm would be wicked cool.
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I have just got back from a 4200 kilometre trip to France and Italy and I saw 2 Super T's. I would lose count of the number of G.S's. They seem faster on motorways, but where speed is more an irrelevance, IMO bottom-end grunt in 'S' mode is king. Many times when climbing steep back roads the power produced at under 4k rpm in 2nd and 3d has made me grin.
RCinNC
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No, we're still going to be at loggerheads, because the comparisons I made between HD marketing and Yamaha marketing are still accurate.. Your perception may be different because your experience with HD dealers is different. I've never been in a Harley dealership where a salesman tried to steer me away from a particular model; any dealer I was ever in, they were interested in selling me a motorcycle and not a personal agenda. Now the Harley faithful may have been disdainful of things like VRods and Buell's, but the HD salespeople seemed only too happy to sell me whatever it was I was looking at. I never had a salesperson disparage a particular model to me, not even Buell. And I've never been in a Harley dealer where every model in their lineup didn't have at least some representation, either by a floor model or promotional material. I very clearly recall seeing both Buells and VRods represented at the dealerships I visited. The dealerships were actively promoting those models, because they had either dedicated sales floor space to them, or dedicated floor space to promotional material. I honestly can't render an opinion on the XR1200; there may have been some in the dealerships I went to, but I was never much into Sportsters and I may not have noticed it, but there were certainly both floor models and promotional material for Sportsters.
If I walked into an HD dealer and my only knowledge was that they sold "Harleys", I would quickly become aware that there were many models of motorcycles under that "Harley" umbrella. Walking around the sales floor, I would rapidly become aware that such a thing as a Buell or a VRod (at one time) existed, because I'd either see one sitting there or I'd see a poster or brochure that advertised its existence. There would be a representation for me to look at and then ask a salesman, "hey, what is that? What can you tell me about it?". That's not something that would occur regarding a Super Tenere and the average Yamaha or multi-brand dealer. I could very easily walk into a Yamaha dealer, knowing they sold "Yamahas", and walk out again and never have any idea that a Super Tenere even existed, let alone that it was a bike made by Yamaha, in spite of the big "Yamaha" sign sitting over the front door.
If my personal experience and yours weren't sufficient to establish that, I'm sure a lot of guys on this forum would mirror the experience that the S10 would seem like a non-existent model if all you had as a source of information was what you saw when you went to a Yamaha dealer. I only knew an S10 existed because I read about them on line; if I had to depend on the dealership network to make me aware of them, I wouldn't be riding one now, because I'd have never heard of one. You focus on the Buell, XR1200 and the VRod and HD's disdain for them, but the fact remains that I could walk into a Harley dealer and still know that both the VRod and Buell were real products offered for sale by those companies (like I said, can't say yea or nay about the XE1200, because I don't recall them as a specific model separate from a Sporty).
So I stand by what I said. Discounting both of our personal experiences about how a salesperson did or didn't try to sell a bike, Harley dealers still do a better job of marketing their product than Yamaha, and the comparisons I made were accurate. They do a better job of making a casual shopper aware of what they have to offer than a Yamaha dealer. I would know far more about every product offered by HD just by walking in to a dealership than I would by going to a Yamaha dealer, regardless of how aggressively the salespeople hyped one model over another.
To the OP, apologies for dragging the thread off in this direction, and I'll bow out now. Steve, I'll be happy to argue semantics with you for as long as you want, but you'll have to start a new thread for that, I don't want to continue hijacking this thread.
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Where would it help it go? Do you have difficulty getting places with your S10 because you have to shift with the clutch? Consider looking at torque curve graphs and remember, do not feed the Magazine writers. They are poor fools w/o knowledge or skills and deserve to starve.
I'm surprised some of you don't just come out and say "I'd feel much better about myself if I spent twice as much money on the Super Tenere. They should just raise the price for the next model year. I really don't need or have any use for crap that adds weight and cost, but Yamaha should have an excuse to charge more for the bike."
BAHAHAAA!! Stop it!! I'm gonna pee myself!!
cyclemike4
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What i would consider an great revision of the super t most would not like. Forgive me if i step on some toes here but this is just how i am. Old i guess. Haha. I would like to see the ride by wire go in the trash as well as the linked brakes. I dont want traction control or ride modes. I would like to see rotors that dont rust and calipers that have boots on the pistons. Dont really care for the upsidedown forks. A huge set of conventional forks with boots will be better for me. Most importantly make the motor run right from the get go. Seems like most things are made for computer geeks now. I am a motorcyclist and love to ride. I just want a dependable good running motorcycle. I dont want a computer with wheels. Sadly for me everything is going that direction. The super t is as close as it gets with the adventure style bike. I dont want tft screens or slipper clutches. Just dont want gagets on my bikes. Make it simple for me please
cyclemike4
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Oh yea my updates would make the bike cheaper! Maybe. Haha
Everybody is entitled to their opinions, and likes/dislikes. And, I too do not intend to offend. I don't know what you consider "old"....I'm not referred to as "young" anymore....but what you describe....was built in the '80s, if not the '70s. Simple? I still use a "flip" phone, and special ordered my Jeep with manual EVERYTHING, because I'm not a big fan of "tech" myself. BUT....I LOVE my fuel injection, ABS, cruise control, heated hand grips, and the Tenere's electronic suspension. (the suspension is the only thing that I would consider a gimic/gadget. Everything else should be mandatory) That being said, I don't even know what a tft screen is, and I'm not sure what the benefit of a slipper clutch would be. I consider MY engine to be running perfectly....no flash required. (others will continue to disagree) I also thought ALL rotors rusted, except for ones that are carbon fiber and/or ceramic. The bike you describe is already out there....but, it's either in a museum, a collector's garage, or a scrap yard. I love my simple-ass '86 FJ....but, it doesn't hold a candle to the Tenere.
cycledelic relic
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I thought what you said....well put
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I can see some updating to be competitive with the other bikes in this class is needed. The S10 doesn’t excite and draw rave reviews anymore.
The reliability and shaft drive is what attracted me to purchase this bike. The major availability of a Yamaha dealer network helped to. Throw in Shaft drive and it’s ease of maintenance and I was sold.
It has more than enough technology and electric gadgets for me. I don’t want a Bluetooth, color screen, or other technology that is going to be outdated within a year or two. The lifespan of a new television or smartphone is about 2 years. I tend to keep my toys longer than that. Usually in the 10 year range. If you want that go and add a fancy gps and then you can throw the gps out when “new” technology comes out in a year.
I don’t have to have the latest, greatest whiz bang on the market though. I just like to ride on two wheels and push my skill level and this bike hits all my needs. Love it as is. Yamaha’s marketing is lacking.
Ride what ya brung.
The reliability and shaft drive is what attracted me to purchase this bike. The major availability of a Yamaha dealer network helped to. Throw in Shaft drive and it’s ease of maintenance and I was sold.
It has more than enough technology and electric gadgets for me. I don’t want a Bluetooth, color screen, or other technology that is going to be outdated within a year or two. The lifespan of a new television or smartphone is about 2 years. I tend to keep my toys longer than that. Usually in the 10 year range. If you want that go and add a fancy gps and then you can throw the gps out when “new” technology comes out in a year.
I don’t have to have the latest, greatest whiz bang on the market though. I just like to ride on two wheels and push my skill level and this bike hits all my needs. Love it as is. Yamaha’s marketing is lacking.
Ride what ya brung.
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RonH
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I like it the way it is. They updated the goldwing, and to me it's worthless compared to my 2008 model. I usually don't look forward to "updates", unless just improvements like they did in 2014 on the Yamaha. If they kept the model as it is, and did a few things here and there like back in 2014, that's fine, but don't go ape shit and ruin a good thing like happened to the Honda.
Donk
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As I stated the S10 is great as is. It would be nice if the S10 was updated a bit. On a slow revving bike like the S10 a quickshifter makes it easier to maintain rpm during shifts. I don’t want a GS but I must admit the addition of a quick shifter and a few more rpm did help the GS go and probably didn’t hurt sales. Like it or not quickshifters are becoming commonplace and progress isn’t always a bad thing.
Gigitt
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I would like to see:
up/down quickshifter,
LED headlights,
rear ABS off switch,
Traction control changing while riding.
These should not really increase the cost of the bike
I know this might seem insignificant:
better use of under seat areas for storage.
Not really needed:
TFT colour display
if they upgrade the ECU, then they will probably add the TFT Screen
so if they upgrade the ECU they should add 6-axis ABS/TSC as well.
These will cost us!
up/down quickshifter,
LED headlights,
rear ABS off switch,
Traction control changing while riding.
These should not really increase the cost of the bike
I know this might seem insignificant:
better use of under seat areas for storage.
Not really needed:
TFT colour display
if they upgrade the ECU, then they will probably add the TFT Screen
so if they upgrade the ECU they should add 6-axis ABS/TSC as well.
These will cost us!
I think about wanting so many improvements in the S10, is more related to the user's age. It is like marriage. When you're young, you want a wife like Victoria's Secret models (Ktm 1290 or Ducati Mstrada) ... when you get old, you start seeing the good things your own wife has (S10)
Donk
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Not sure what you’re saying but I think I agree. I’m 63 and all I want is a slightly hotter S10. You can keep the psycho KTMs and Multistradas. Been there done that.I think about wanting so many improvements in the S10, is more related to the user's age. It is like marriage. When you're young, you want a wife like Victoria's Secret models (Ktm 1290 or Ducati Mstrada) ... when you get old, you start seeing the good things your own wife has (S10)
cycledelic relic
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Even the V Strom 1000 gets an updated ABS system with a 5 axis IMU bike positioning feature
& its only $14,600
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It seems a lot of us forget that the Tenere is not a cheap bike, it should have the features matching the price.
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Let me see if I can better explain. No, a quick shifter doesn't make it easier to maintain rpm during shifts. You learning how to properly rev match and shift smoothly will help that. It's just a skill to improve. What is it that you feel you're gaining by, (to use your phrase), more easily maintaining rpm during shifts?
If you increase the rpm limit you will alter the torque curve. Do you really rev to red line or torque peak now? I rather doubt that you do. The Super Ten would be useless with a 16k rev limit and a sport bike like torque curve.
If you want faster revs, it takes less mass. The mass of the pistons, con rods and flywheel are part of what gives this bike the low end and mid range torque it has. 4 cyl bikes rev faster due to more and smaller cylinders, among other things. The Gen II bikes use lighter pistons now. I don't think you want much lighter or you run the potential for less reliability.
Just a thought, use what you have. You want a little hotter? Run the rpms up more and stop tossing away Hp by shifting early. If you truly are shifting at torque peak, good on you. Some of what you are asking for could likely be accomplished with a ECU flash.
@Mak10 - you said: "The S10 doesn’t excite and draw rave reviews anymore." It never did in the first place. Quiet competence rarely does.
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I am different from most of you. My bike is a tool to take me places. I have no favorite road. Consider, if you have a favorite road, why are you limiting yourself to that road so often? Go some place new.