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Offline fredz43

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Re: Didn't see this coming, Goodbye Victory
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2017, 12:48:29 pm »
Taking a look at the Indian FTR750 gives me hope that they might expand from the traditional cruiser market, especially since they seem to be putting an emphasis on performance and engineering. We shall see.
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Re: Didn't see this coming, Goodbye Victory
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2017, 12:53:03 pm »
I'm thinking they might re-badge some of the Victories as Indians. Why have two brands of MC's when one will do.

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Re: Didn't see this coming, Goodbye Victory
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2017, 09:50:20 pm »
I was always amazed at how well Victory motorcycles SEEMED to be selling, they didn't interest me at all.  I have friends that always have been big Polaris fans and was talking to one of them last weekend and told him I was impressed with how well they were doing with Victory. Well now I will just have to call and let him know they are closing the doors.
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Re: Didn't see this coming, Goodbye Victory
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2017, 08:45:24 pm »
Not surprised victory is dead.They have not turned a profit 3 of the last 5 years draining resource from profitable areas.Now Eric buell is closing its doors.WHO'S NEXT??

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Re: Didn't see this coming, Goodbye Victory
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2017, 08:50:26 pm »
The unfortunate side effect of such an established, profitable company pulling out of a segment of the market is that it gave other investors cold feet.  I think Buell's recent announcement is in part a result of what Polaris has done.
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Re: Didn't see this coming, Goodbye Victory
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2017, 12:25:14 am »
 Eric was having a hard time finding dealers to stock his bikes.I also read relationship with Harley getting engines was rocky.

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Re: Didn't see this coming, Goodbye Victory
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2017, 12:40:19 am »
Eric was having a hard time finding dealers to stock his bikes.I also read relationship with Harley getting engines was rocky.

Huh? He wasn't using Harley engines anymore, not since before Harley dumped him in fact.


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Re: Didn't see this coming, Goodbye Victory
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2017, 09:03:27 am »
Buell was competing in the high price end of the sports market, so a narrow niche to begin with, and the magazines found his bikes just didn't perform as well as the competition.
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Re: Didn't see this coming, Goodbye Victory
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2017, 11:06:47 am »
Buell was competing in the high price end of the sports market, so a narrow niche to begin with, and the magazines found his bikes just didn't perform as well as the competition.

Yeah, multiple factors for sure.  That's why I said the Polaris decision affected Buell "in part".
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Re: Didn't see this coming, Goodbye Victory
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2017, 08:52:46 pm »
After I thought about it buell was using rotax engines at the trade show in Chicago last year.I  read a post on revzilla yesterday that they were using Harley engines.That is wrong.

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Re: Didn't see this coming, Goodbye Victory
« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2017, 12:29:39 am »
Harley and Buell were joined at the kneecap for years until Eric finally reached the limit of the Sportster engine. Once he started using Rotax... it was adios Harley. Buell ended up building their own engine but have opened and closed doors now, twice so it's unlikely his vision of an American sportbike company will succeed. Tough market out there.

If Indian builds that flat tracker engine into something that could be used in multiple platforms, they stand a good chance at remaining viable. Not everybody wants an 800lb, chrome barge that costs a small fortune.
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Re: Didn't see this coming, Goodbye Victory
« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2017, 09:58:59 am »
imho - Eric Buell has been his own worst enemy, in trying to compete head to head with the big players in crowded niche markets, AND in his business models.


The Motus is a dream bike, which is also in an extremely high price niche at $38,000. They recognized the folly of doing what Buell did and knew better than to come to that market before their product was perfect. Motus did not try to directly compete and they've been really careful about not trying to grow too fast so they could get out of financial balance, which Buell also did. It's interesting what they wrote about Polaris and the demise of Victory.
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Re: Didn't see this coming, Goodbye Victory
« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2017, 11:49:35 am »
The Motus engine sounds incredible! I would love to score a test on one. Spot on assessment of Victory's "target fixation" and inability to adjust to the market.
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Re: Didn't see this coming, Goodbye Victory
« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2017, 01:11:01 pm »
Motus appears to be making reasonable business decisions and I'm rooting for them, but they aren't completely out of the financial woods either.  It's all good until it isn't.

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Re: Didn't see this coming, Goodbye Victory
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2017, 09:19:04 pm »
How much is heat is coming off that engine?  Looks like one's legs would get warm.
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