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Offline Nikolajsen

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Re: oil change-Lite
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2017, 11:20:45 am »
The specified temperature is actually the coolant temp, since that is something you can see on the instrument panel.
No, in my manual it says oil temp.
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Re: oil change-Lite
« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2017, 12:07:39 pm »
I think we have confusion from translations with speakers of three languages and both of you are correct. As Nikolajsen says, the text says 140 degrees, but there is not a way to tell oil temp. However, as EricV wrote, the only available indication of temp is for coolant, which makes the text factually incorrect, but it is consistent with English using a lot of implied meaning.


From a common sense point, by the time the coolant is 140, the oil already got there.
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Re: oil change-Lite
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2017, 01:39:36 pm »
Damn! Just checked mine today and didn't see any oil in the sight glass. Added a little..maybe 3 oz and saw it in the glass. Forgot or didn't know about running the engine and heating the oil to 140.. Went for a 30 mile ride. Will check it tomorrow the right way and remove any overfill if necessary.  >:( >:(
Went out and checked oil this morning according to manual and all was fine. Oil at high indicator line, but within parameters. God, I hate this obsessive/compulsive problem! ::021::
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Re: oil change-Lite
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2017, 07:32:19 pm »
I put in the specified amount of oil after a change.  And, every so often, I check the sight glass after a ride.  I have NEVER had to add oil to ANY* of my bikes.  I've never even been able to visually tell if the level dropped at all.



*The Beemer required oil several times a week.
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Re: oil change-Lite
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2018, 07:05:28 am »
If you use coolant temp you'll be too full (at least mine was).

My manual says idle 10 mins for an OIL temp of 60C or 140F.   I have a good fluke IR gun and I watched my oil temp vs. my coolant temp.  When my coolant was 140F, my oil was only 90F (ambient was 82).  When I went the full 10 mins, my fans had already kicked on/off once and my oil was 133F.

Based on coolant temp, you can get almost 4 Qtrs into the bike.  Based on oil temp you can only get the recommended 3.6 Qts into the bike.  Based on this I think the manual is actually consistent.

The whole reason I went this BS is that I noticed clutch drag which can happen when you're too full of oil.....

So stick with 3.6 Qtrs or let the bike idle for 10 mins and get good and warm before using the sight glass.

Note1:  I was shooting my oil filter (a good black body full of oil) with my IR gun.
Note2:  If you drain on the center stand, putting the bike on the side stand will drain out additional oil.
Note3:  If you drain on the side stand, putting the bike on the center stand will drain out additional oil.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2018, 07:14:35 am by hogmolly »
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Re: oil change-Lite
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2018, 08:06:26 am »
If you use coolant temp you'll be too full (at least mine was).

Depends on what coolant temp you use.
I'm very well aware the the manual says oli temp....but that can't be read anywhere...
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Re: oil change-Lite
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2018, 08:14:24 am »
Depends on what coolant temp you use.
I'm very well aware the the manual says oli temp....but that can't be read anywhere...

Which is why it says "10 minutes".  That can be measured.
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Re: oil change-Lite
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2018, 11:54:32 am »
There you got a point. :)
But, If I let mine run for 10 min. the sight glass wil be completly full.
(even if it is in idling, and I would never let it idle for 10 min.)
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Re: oil change-Lite
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2018, 07:57:08 pm »
Great research Hogmolly - Thanks!
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Re: oil change-Lite
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2018, 06:47:53 am »
I posted the notes to show how tricky it can be.  The bike traps oil (pockets in the castings?).  This means if you ride to warm it up, then get off you'll likely use the side stand.  Now when you put the bike on the center stand, some trapped oil will go to the sump.   All you need to do is start the bike for 30s or so before shutting off and taking your reading.

So I've been able to get consistent reading doing the following

1) Verify you see some/any oil in sight glass
2) Warm up the oil (10 mins idle or short ride).  A simple test to see the oil is hot is to touch oil filter.  You can't hold 140F.
3) Put bike on center stand and idle it for 30s or so (only necessary if you went for a ride)
4) Take reading

Too much oil in the sump can/will cause clutch drag.  This is when you have too much viscous coupling on the clutch plates and shifts become notchy.   Same thing happens in harleys when the primary is too full.
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