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Re: HID Headlights??
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2010, 10:59:27 pm »
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Re: HID Headlights??
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2010, 12:03:26 pm »
The Denali LED Lighting 2-Light Kit with Full Wiring Harness and M10 Mount will solve all lighting issues easily. Hook up the lights directly to the battery (or a fuse block) and tap a running light with the provided Posi-Taps and you have a low draw super efficient LED auxiliary light setup:

The Complete Kit

There are two light diffusers included with the kit: Fog & Euro.  You can alternately run them without a diffuser which we refer to as "Normal"  here is a graphic illustrating the different beam patterns:

You can see a video on YouTube that describes them in depth.  Working with SW-MOTECH we have developed this auxiliary light mount: http://www.twistedthrottle.com/trade/productview/5694/821/ or you can alternately use the provided M10 mounts well.  The location for the M10 mount has not been figured out yet.  Any ideas?

No shots yet on the Super Tenere but here is one on a R1150GS with a M6 mounting kit:

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Re: HID Headlights??
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2010, 12:25:42 pm »



JC what were you trying to place here? Whatever it was seems to have been expunged  :o
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Re: HID Headlights??
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2010, 05:04:50 pm »
My 1st attempt at aftermarket HID has not been a success. The Ballast and bulb light up however the beam pattern from a short H7 35Watt bulb is very disappointing. There is a huge black hole in the center of the beam that is there on both dip and full beam. I will try a longer (normal length) HID once I get a chance to see if the change in light placement within the headlamp helps. If that doesn't sort it I will be reverting back to halogen.  :(
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Re: HID Headlights??
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2010, 12:45:00 am »
this is the problem with conversion kits - the reflectors of the stock lights are not purposefully built for HID bulbs which usually don't have the exact same fit - either too long or too short - and even with a perfect fit - the reflectors weren't made for it.  That said there are some kits and bike light combinations that have worked extremely well and in side by side comparisons show improved light patterns and the ability to put the light on the road where you need it.  I am very appreciative of the guys who did all the dirty work and beta testing for FJR's to come up with an optimum configuration/vendor.  I just went with add on PHID's and while they aren't the leading edge technology they once were - they are more than adequate and due to their using far less power than my old PIAA 910's and the fact that I have them and can remove them - that is what is going to be on my XT12Z.  I have looked at some of the LED stuff and haven't been overwhelmed by any, but certainly haven't seen them all. They are definitely getting better and show a lot of promise.  personal opinon only - that for true painting the road with light (and not just putting out blue light and giant halos) - you need HID's.  Currently the LED stuff works better for conspicuity and filling in holes in your light beam pattern and for cornering lights.

One thing BMW does well is their new moving lights - that corner with you.  haven't ridden them, but the video looks awesome. 

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Re: HID Headlights??
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2010, 09:20:46 pm »
The Denali LED Lighting 2-Light Kit with Full Wiring Harness and M10 Mount will solve all lighting issues easily. Hook up the lights directly to the battery (or a fuse block) and tap a running light with the provided Posi-Taps and you have a low draw super efficient LED auxiliary light setup:

The Complete Kit


I love LED lights and think it's great Twisted Throttle is offering a package with everything one needs for a tidy install as well as the bike specific upgrades (longer leads, lighted and waterproof switch, etc.) over the plain jane Vision X Solstice LEDs.

 I will be leaving the stock headlights alone and adding additional light via two LED lights. Will Twisted Throttle be offering the kit with the new 45°wide/15°high elliptical "driving light" beam pattern? That seems to be the beam that makes the most sense for day-to-day road riding, though being able to change one or both lenses to a different pattern, like a flood pattern, could be handy in certain situations. I value the wide patterns to dump plenty of light in the ditches (deer, elk, sheep and moose in the areas I ride) but I don't want to waste lumens by dispersing too much light up to the sky and right down in front of the bike, so rather than the standard flood light pattern, the 45°/15° elliptical beam seems to have the best of both worlds (short and wide). But then, I haven't seen the beam patterns in person, so it's hard to imagine. Maybe one flood pattern and one standard would give a similar pattern?

Are there going to be Super Tenere brackets or do the included brackets work with the pre-drilled factory mounting holes while still allowing both horizontal and vertical adjustments to position the lights as needed? It seams they would only allow for vertical adjustment. Any comments on that would be appreciated. Thanks! 
« Last Edit: December 19, 2010, 09:24:26 pm by Chadx »
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Re: HID Headlights??
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2010, 09:59:09 pm »
Are there going to be Super Tenere brackets or do the included brackets work with the pre-drilled factory mounting holes while still allowing both horizontal and vertical adjustments to position the lights as needed? It seams they would only allow for vertical adjustment. Any comments on that would be appreciated. Thanks!


Our fairing mount kit is here:
http://www.twistedthrottle.com/trade/productview/5694/821/


You can mount the lights either there, or on the fender bolts. Either way, you retain the ability to adjust both the horizontal and vertical aim of the lights independently. Each light has a bracket that allows adjustment in both axes.
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Re: HID Headlights??
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2010, 10:18:03 pm »
Perfect. Thanks!
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Re: HID Headlights??
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2010, 10:34:24 pm »
... Our fairing mount kit is here:
http://www.twistedthrottle.com/trade/productview/5694/821/ ...


This will probably one of the first mods on my Tenere.   Looks great!
« Last Edit: December 20, 2010, 04:19:22 am by Swagger »
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Re: HID Headlights??
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2010, 12:17:14 am »


This will probably one of the first mods on my Tenere.   Looks great!

I've watched some of the videos on TT's site since finding out about these, and I must say I'm quite enamored with them myself.  They seem like such a great solution; they look good and appear to be very functional, low wattage, long life span.  I think there may be a set in my future as well.
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Re: HID Headlights??
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2010, 10:05:50 am »


This will probably one of the first mods on my Tenere.   Looks great!

I've watched some of the videos on TT's site since finding out about these, and I must say I'm quite enamored with them myself.  They seem like such a great solution; they look good and appear to be very functional, low wattage, long life span.  I think there may be a set in my future as well.

Yeah... 10 years is a pretty ok warranty period.  I actually forgot to add the mounts to the list of available mounts on the Denali product page... this thread delivers.
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Re: HID Headlights??
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2010, 09:03:31 pm »
Will Twisted Throttle be offering the kit with the new 45°wide/15°high elliptical "driving light" beam pattern? That seems to be the beam that makes the most sense for day-to-day road riding, though being able to change one or both lenses to a different pattern, like a flood pattern, could be handy in certain situations. I value the wide patterns to dump plenty of light in the ditches (deer, elk, sheep and moose in the areas I ride) but I don't want to waste lumens by dispersing too much light up to the sky and right down in front of the bike, so rather than the standard flood light pattern, the 45°/15° elliptical beam seems to have the best of both worlds (short and wide). But then, I haven't seen the beam patterns in person, so it's hard to imagine. Maybe one flood pattern and one standard would give a similar pattern?

We tested the elliptical beam pattern when we first put the Denali kit together. It sounds good on paper, but what you get is a beam that is way too flat and wide. The extreme width gives you a soft glow across a wide area, but it doesn't really penetrate very far in any direction. Our supplier says that the elliptical pattern has the lowest sales of all patterns available to automotive applications, and is typically only used by folks installing backup lights on pickup trucks. After trying the elliptical pattern out, we have to agree. The beam is so short range that it won't even be very useful for finding deer in the bushes when you're at speed - by the time you see the deer off to the side, you've already blown past it. Most of the guys in our office stick with the 10 to 15 degree beam pattern that we call the "driving" lens in our Denali package. It gives a good penetration range down the road while still lighting up the sides of the road enough to see if there are critters lurking nearby. The "floods" in our Denali package provide more side light, but it's not overly  diffuse.

The other reason we don't offer the 45/15 elliptical pattern is that you'd need to buy a whole lamp assembly just for that pattern. Unlike the other lenses in our Denali kit, you can't swap just swap them. The elliptical pattern is actually built into the lamp housing itself and cannot be changed. We figured most folks would rather have some flexibility in a single lamp housing than have a really awesome backup light that couldn't be changed to a more useful driving or flood pattern.

YMMV. All the guys in our shop voted based on independent night-time road tests on our personal bikes... unanimously.
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Re: HID Headlights??
« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2010, 12:33:50 pm »
YMMV. All the guys in our shop voted based on independent night-time road tests on our personal bikes... unanimously.

This is what I call QUALITY SERVICE. I've already looked at this kit previously but now I'm sure. Next year I'm getting some of these since there really is no point in using HID IMHO.

I rode some really dark roads even without moon light and I didn't feel the need for more light. If so, high beam shutter to "free" even more light.

the Denali kit however will be used by me to direct light in a way that when i'm leaning I can see the road clearly. When the bike turns you'll loose a significant part of the beam.

PS: No many wilderness around the roads in Portugal so my opinion on HID is based on that. Besides its not legal although many people do it...
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Re: HID Headlights??
« Reply #28 on: December 25, 2010, 01:05:07 am »
We tested the elliptical beam pattern when we first put the Denali kit together. It sounds good on paper, but what you get is a beam that is way too flat and wide...
The other reason we don't offer the 45/15 elliptical pattern is that you'd need to buy a whole lamp assembly just for that pattern...
YMMV. All the guys in our shop voted based on independent night-time road tests on our personal bikes... unanimously.

Exactly the type of hands-on info I was looking for. Thanks for the succinct response.
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Re: HID Headlights??
« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2010, 11:12:54 am »
Will Twisted Throttle be offering the kit with the new 45°wide/15°high elliptical "driving light" beam pattern? That seems to be the beam that makes the most sense for day-to-day road riding, though being able to change one or both lenses to a different pattern, like a flood pattern, could be handy in certain situations. I value the wide patterns to dump plenty of light in the ditches (deer, elk, sheep and moose in the areas I ride) but I don't want to waste lumens by dispersing too much light up to the sky and right down in front of the bike, so rather than the standard flood light pattern, the 45°/15° elliptical beam seems to have the best of both worlds (short and wide). But then, I haven't seen the beam patterns in person, so it's hard to imagine. Maybe one flood pattern and one standard would give a similar pattern?

We tested the elliptical beam pattern when we first put the Denali kit together. It sounds good on paper, but what you get is a beam that is way too flat and wide. The extreme width gives you a soft glow across a wide area, but it doesn't really penetrate very far in any direction. Our supplier says that the elliptical pattern has the lowest sales of all patterns available to automotive applications, and is typically only used by folks installing backup lights on pickup trucks. After trying the elliptical pattern out, we have to agree. The beam is so short range that it won't even be very useful for finding deer in the bushes when you're at speed - by the time you see the deer off to the side, you've already blown past it. Most of the guys in our office stick with the 10 to 15 degree beam pattern that we call the "driving" lens in our Denali package. It gives a good penetration range down the road while still lighting up the sides of the road enough to see if there are critters lurking nearby. The "floods" in our Denali package provide more side light, but it's not overly  diffuse.

The other reason we don't offer the 45/15 elliptical pattern is that you'd need to buy a whole lamp assembly just for that pattern. Unlike the other lenses in our Denali kit, you can't swap just swap them. The elliptical pattern is actually built into the lamp housing itself and cannot be changed. We figured most folks would rather have some flexibility in a single lamp housing than have a really awesome backup light that couldn't be changed to a more useful driving or flood pattern.

YMMV. All the guys in our shop voted based on independent night-time road tests on our personal bikes... unanimously.

@Twisted Throttle,
I looked at all of the vids and would like to see a vid done on a dark road. Looking at a garage door or looking at the oncoming lights does not help me. Now maybe I missed a vid showing this, if so could you point me in the right direction?

I am after a light that will turn night into day.. Well alright, maybe not that good....LOL..
« Last Edit: December 25, 2010, 11:14:35 am by japako »
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