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Title: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Checkswrecks on November 08, 2015, 10:41:25 pm
rtwpaul has a gas tank manufacturer asking how many folks have the two versions of the bike. Answering the poll has nothing to do with whether you want a new tank or not, as  this should be interesting regardless  Obviously, the percentage of ES will grow as continuing sales dilute the 2012-13 bikes which had none.
Thanks
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Lutsie on November 08, 2015, 11:09:51 pm
ES for me.

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Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: tomatocity on November 09, 2015, 02:14:24 am
2015 ES
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Brick on November 09, 2015, 06:21:39 am
2014ES
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: TNWalker on November 09, 2015, 06:59:18 am
2014 ES
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Yamaray on November 09, 2015, 09:25:59 am
 2014 Non ES  ::008::

yamaray
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: WJBertrand on November 09, 2015, 11:04:50 am
2015 ES
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: jimyamaha on November 09, 2015, 02:14:42 pm
ES 2015.

This ES or non ES thing is amusing. Previous threads have non ES owners saying how silly the ES is and how after spending over £800 on a new aftermarket shock etc blah blah etc
yet virtualy all ES owners seem happy with it.

I was sceptical as i couldn't work out why Yamaha had decided i wasn't allowed or trusted to adjust the front and rear independently like every other motorbike i have owned in the last 24 years.
I also have had my last three R1's sent away to have the suspension stripped, resprung and rebuilt etc so this adventure bike just won't work on the road surely ....

So imagine my surprise when the ES just works. And No i do not go off road (as in off tracks onto the dirty stuff) and have this as more of a tourer than off roader.
Comfiest bike i have owned. Least adjusted bike i have owned. Works for me. (and understand that everyone is different and requires different things the bike should do and feel like etc etc)
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Kwatters on November 09, 2015, 02:57:58 pm
2014 non ES
ES may be great I wouldn't know.  This works fine for my use.
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: MrVvrroomm on November 09, 2015, 03:00:22 pm
2014ES
 and
2015 standard

I did not vote
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: RoboCop on November 09, 2015, 05:40:56 pm
2014 ES
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: iClint on November 09, 2015, 07:09:35 pm
I wonder how ES or non-ES would change things as far as tanks go?
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: KeithE on November 09, 2015, 07:31:14 pm
14ES

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Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Newbium on November 09, 2015, 07:32:28 pm
2015 ES.
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Dirt_Dad on November 09, 2015, 07:53:42 pm
I cant vote, I have both. 

I know Romney told me the ES outsells the non-ES in a very big way.  Not even remotely close. 

How's that for scientific statistics   ;D
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: fredz43 on November 09, 2015, 09:25:00 pm
I cant vote, I have both. 

I know Romney told me the ES outsells the non-ES in a very big way.  Not even remotely close. 

How's that for scientific statistics   ;D

Not doubting you, DD, but I heard that 87.65% of statistics you read on the internet are made up.  ;D
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Dirt_Dad on November 09, 2015, 09:35:18 pm
Not doubting you, DD, but I heard that 87.65% of statistics you read on the internet are made up.  ;D

 :))

Check your number, Fred.  I have it on good authority that percentage is a bit low.


There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Mark Twain


Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Donk on November 10, 2015, 06:03:16 am
'14ES.  Thought i would never use it but I do quite often.
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Checkswrecks on November 10, 2015, 06:51:18 am
I cant vote, I have both. 

I know Romney told me the ES outsells the non-ES in a very big way.  Not even remotely close. 

How's that for scientific statistics   ;D


Sure you can vote. You own one and wife wife owns the other.
 O:-)
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Scouse on November 10, 2015, 02:00:01 pm
2014 non ES. I tried an ES prior to buying, found myself constantly fiddling with it all morning. 95% of my riding is solo and on road so no need to keep changing settings. I have it set up just right and no complaints about it. I got centre stand and grips included in deal.
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Dirt_Dad on November 10, 2015, 08:49:14 pm

Sure you can vote. You own one and wife wife owns the other.
 O:-)

touché
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: hojo in sc on November 11, 2015, 01:32:58 pm
What about those that bought their bikes before the ES was available, it may affect the results.
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Erny1200 on November 11, 2015, 03:07:17 pm
14es, the ride is better than the wife's car!

 ::021::
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Tyke on November 11, 2015, 03:32:09 pm
2014 ZE which is  a  U.K. ES,

I chose the ZE /ES because it represented good value for money,  although I don't use the ES much  :) 
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: fredz43 on November 11, 2015, 04:26:18 pm
What about those that bought their bikes before the ES was available, it may affect the results.

The poll says:

I have a non-ES version of any year.
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: hojo in sc on November 11, 2015, 07:45:04 pm
The poll says:

I have a non-ES version of any year.

Yes, but my point is, for those that bought pre-ES, they didn't have a choice.  As a marketing manager, I would want to know what the current trend is when considering an ES.
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: fredz43 on November 11, 2015, 09:54:28 pm
Yes, but my point is, for those that bought pre-ES, they didn't have a choice.  As a marketing manager, I would want to know what the current trend is when considering an ES.

I understand that point and would like to know that also, but the OP said the vendor looking into making a larger tank wanted to know what the % was of ES and non ES of any year. I don't understand what that has to do with tank size, but that is the info that he wanted. Of course there were a lot more non ES sold than ES if you consider the years before the ES was available, but evidently the 2012, 2013 owners are not responding to this poll, as right now it shows the ES is 46.5% and that can't be accurate if all years are considered.
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Havok on November 17, 2015, 01:43:30 am
2012 Non ES (of course) is being traded this week for a 2015 ES. Can't wait.
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: BB1200Z on November 17, 2015, 04:26:09 am
2014 non ES

Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: mobyfubar on November 17, 2015, 09:56:56 am
Had a 2012, but when it was totalled I replaced it with a 2015 ES. I didn't want an ES bad enough to have just traded it in, but when I needed a replacement I searched for an ES because of talking to a couple friends with them. And I did have to search, it took 5 dealers before I found an ES available.
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: hawk281 on November 17, 2015, 10:44:57 am
I don't care who has a an ES or not, please tell me that someone is making a differnt tank for the bike. Hopefully Plastic!!!!!!! ::021::
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Havok on November 18, 2015, 05:48:00 pm
Start Rant: Took all my add-ons off of my 2012 with 31K on the odometer without a single issue (thank you Yamaha Goddess), found an new ES 1.5 hour drive away with the right price and available. Drove there in LA morning traffic  to complete the transaction, and guess what!

It wasn't an ES. someone at the Dealer could not tell the difference i guess. and 1 hour back through LA traffic. Thank you very much.

End Rant.

BTW the posting is still up and incorrect.

http://www.cycletrader.com/dealers/Thousand-Oaks-Powersports-783080/listing/2014-Yamaha-Super-T%26%23233%3Bn%26%23233%3Br%26%23233%3B-ES-113656240 (http://www.cycletrader.com/dealers/Thousand-Oaks-Powersports-783080/listing/2014-Yamaha-Super-T%26%23233%3Bn%26%23233%3Br%26%23233%3B-ES-113656240)
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: fredz43 on November 18, 2015, 05:57:19 pm
Start Rant: Took all my add-ons off of my 2012 with 31K on the odometer without a single issue (thank you Yamaha Goddess), found an new ES 1.5 hour drive away with the right price and available. Drove there in LA morning traffic  to complete the transaction, and guess what!

It wasn't an ES. someone at the Dealer could not tell the difference i guess. and 1 hour back through LA traffic. Thank you very much.

End Rant.

BTW the posting is still up and incorrect.

[url]http://www.cycletrader.com/dealers/Thousand-Oaks-Powersports-783080/listing/2014-Yamaha-Super-T%26%23233%3Bn%26%23233%3Br%26%23233%3B-ES-113656240[/url] ([url]http://www.cycletrader.com/dealers/Thousand-Oaks-Powersports-783080/listing/2014-Yamaha-Super-T%26%23233%3Bn%26%23233%3Br%26%23233%3B-ES-113656240[/url])


What a bummer! Those pics in the ad are of an ES also.
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: vapexpr on November 18, 2015, 06:12:13 pm
Start Rant: Took all my add-ons off of my 2012 with 31K on the odometer without a single issue (thank you Yamaha Goddess), found an new ES 1.5 hour drive away with the right price and available. Drove there in LA morning traffic  to complete the transaction, and guess what!

It wasn't an ES. someone at the Dealer could not tell the difference i guess. and 1 hour back through LA traffic. Thank you very much.

End Rant.

BTW the posting is still up and incorrect.

[url]http://www.cycletrader.com/dealers/Thousand-Oaks-Powersports-783080/listing/2014-Yamaha-Super-T%26%23233%3Bn%26%23233%3Br%26%23233%3B-ES-113656240[/url] ([url]http://www.cycletrader.com/dealers/Thousand-Oaks-Powersports-783080/listing/2014-Yamaha-Super-T%26%23233%3Bn%26%23233%3Br%26%23233%3B-ES-113656240[/url])

1.5 hours in LA morning traffic!?!? That's gotta be at least 14 miles away.... ;)

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Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Havok on November 18, 2015, 06:21:07 pm
1.5 hours in LA morning traffic!?!? That's gotta be at least 14 miles away.... ;)

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Jackass.......LMAO  ;D
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: rtwpaul on November 19, 2015, 12:53:47 am
I understand that point and would like to know that also, but the OP said the vendor looking into making a larger tank wanted to know what the % was of ES and non ES of any year. I don't understand what that has to do with tank size, but that is the info that he wanted. Of course there were a lot more non ES sold than ES if you consider the years before the ES was available, but evidently the 2012, 2013 owners are not responding to this poll, as right now it shows the ES is 46.5% and that can't be accurate if all years are considered.

fred

you might need to think outside the box on this one...there is a lot of space on the bike that can be used, but there is some differences in certain areas between the non ES and the ES and it is the use of this additional space that is the concern, but if the numbers/ interest is right maybe additional capacity might be available for both versions

sorry for all the cloak and dagger stuff but the manufacturer specifically asked me not to be...ahem...specific!!! Once i am given the all clear i will reveal and then we can start talking numbers, volume/ price etc

...but for now please be patient
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: vgreno2000 on November 19, 2015, 03:06:30 pm
2015 non ES

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Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: hawk281 on November 19, 2015, 04:19:07 pm
2015 ES ::021::
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Havok on November 19, 2015, 06:17:28 pm
fred

you might need to think outside the box on this one...there is a lot of space on the bike that can be used, but there is some differences in certain areas between the non ES and the ES and it is the use of this additional space that is the concern, but if the numbers/ interest is right maybe additional capacity might be available for both versions

sorry for all the cloak and dagger stuff but the manufacturer specifically asked me not to be...ahem...specific!!! Once i am given the all clear i will reveal and then we can start talking numbers, volume/ price etc

...but for now please be patient

I found one, 2015, new with good discounts. And the dealer is 5 miles away. Picking up my ES on Saturday. Not a fan of the color but neither was I with my 2012. HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME> :)
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: nani on November 20, 2015, 10:32:40 am
If I had the choice when I was buying my S10 in 2012 I would have gone with the ES for sure.
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Checkswrecks on November 20, 2015, 11:17:42 am
I found one, 2015, new with good discounts. And the dealer is 5 miles away. Picking up my ES on Saturday. Not a fan of the color but neither was I with my 2012. HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME> :)


Congrats and happy birthday!
 ::012::
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Riversong on November 21, 2015, 06:07:33 pm
I just voted as a 2012 Non ES, though I am thinking about a newer ES model
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: rtwpaul on January 05, 2016, 07:22:00 pm
check post #96 onwards - http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/auxiliary-fuel-tank-for-the-yamaha-super-tenere-xt1200z-s10.1048337/page-5 (http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/auxiliary-fuel-tank-for-the-yamaha-super-tenere-xt1200z-s10.1048337/page-5)
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: kurt on January 05, 2016, 08:07:33 pm
15 non-ES.  I'm waiting on my Ohlins to arrive for about the same difference in price. 
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: fredz43 on January 05, 2016, 11:08:54 pm
15 non-ES.  I'm waiting on my Ohlins to arrive for about the same difference in price.

Same price for back, but not front, I assume? I had almost $3,000 in my Ohlins front and back setup on my 12.
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: murdock2002 on January 06, 2016, 12:42:08 am
I think generally speaking, it is safe to say there are more non ES S10s since we are now only entering the 3rd year of the ES, but the non ES models have been being produced and sold for twice as long.

What would be interesting to know, out of curiosity and for future projections, is for the 2014-2016 model years, what percentages of S10s sold were ESvs non ES. I would be surprised if Yamaha didn't have that sale data captured somewhere. The fact that Yamaha continues to offer non ES versions on both the S10, and not into the fourth year of the FJR, tells me that market demand of the non ES models is high enough to maintain two versions (at least 45-65% sales split from one model to the other?).
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: ord13 on January 06, 2016, 04:09:58 am
2011 non ES.
ES planned (become lazy with age...).
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: bearclaw on January 09, 2017, 09:16:09 pm
Old thread but chiming in anyway, new 2015 non ES. Wish for the heated grips though! Think the idea is good, just found a good deal on a non ES and didn't want to spend another grand on ES. Like tweaking my own suspension... 2cents
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Brick on January 10, 2017, 08:03:28 am
I loved my 2012 non-ES... at the time. Just had to have the 2014ES.  I was going to have to upgrade suspension at 68,000 miles anyway. So I got the ES before I sold the 2012. I certainly did not get as much as I would have liked to get for the 2012. But it went to a great home. Robert I assume you are still enjoying the 2012.
I love my 2024ES!


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Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Checkswrecks on January 10, 2017, 09:09:25 am
Old thread but chiming in anyway, new 2015 non ES. Wish for the heated grips though! Think the idea is good, just found a good deal on a non ES and didn't want to spend another grand on ES. Like tweaking my own suspension... 2cents


The OEM heated grips can be installed as a plug-n-play. I think I paid about $220 for the parts.
Details  --->  http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=1844.0 (http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=1844.0)
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: RED CAT on January 10, 2017, 09:35:09 am
Had a 2012 S10 ,non ES of coarse and have had a 2014 ES for 2 years. I would most likely buy a non ES next time. Less to go wrong with the ESA suspension and just add the factory Heated Grips. I find I don't use the ESA and its harder to change fork oil etc. Had ESA on my  2008 BMW GS12 and never used that ESA either. If Yamaha wanted to do something useful on this S10, they could add Shift on the Fly Traction Control and get rid of any Power Restrictions.
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: hogmolly on January 10, 2017, 11:10:00 am
I recently bought a non-ES 2016 and had heated grips added.  I'm sure the point will come when I replace the rear shock so no ES for me.
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Davesax36 on January 10, 2017, 11:32:31 am
'14 ES here.
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: RicoChet on January 10, 2017, 11:59:16 am
2016 ES Here.

I was looking for an ES model exclusively and found an incredible deal on a used 2016 that only had 18K on it for less then $14K including all the accessories like panniers and taller windshield ETC... I couldn't let it go.
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Edino on January 10, 2017, 12:06:04 pm
2015 ES here.
From 2016 The non-ES version is no longer available in Sweden.
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: airmed on January 10, 2017, 01:05:05 pm
I use my ES all the time.  I ride with many different configurations and in the past, I hated twisting shock springs. 
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: snakebitten on January 10, 2017, 01:07:02 pm
I have a 2012 with MS  ::013::

Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: The GYMMY on January 10, 2017, 02:30:00 pm
2014 ES - great deal and had to have it.

Love it! ::014::
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Jeff M on January 10, 2017, 11:17:57 pm
2015 ES ...use it  , love it
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: VRODE on January 11, 2017, 09:56:45 am
2016 ES. From all reports it seemed like it would work for my weight, and it does. The roads around here go from smooth to cratered and back again constantly. I use the ES function quite a bit and like it. That, plus the fact that I was buying a brandy new, expensive (for me) bike led me to go for the gusto. I really needed heated grips anyway.
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: broberts on January 15, 2017, 02:45:53 pm
   14.  Non ES
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: Sierra1 on January 15, 2017, 04:35:02 pm
'17ES.  'Cuz life changes quickly, and being able to adjust quickly is a good thing.
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: RIDEMYST on January 15, 2017, 06:58:05 pm
ES here


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Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: ov1 on January 16, 2017, 05:22:09 am
14ES , at the time it was 1000 Canadian Diff to go with the ES model. For the money you got the ES suspension,heated grips,factory cruise. Well worth the cost.
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: BigBob on January 20, 2017, 09:59:45 pm
14ES , at the time it was 1000 Canadian Diff to go with the ES model. For the money you got the ES suspension,heated grips,factory cruise. Well worth the cost.
Me too.



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Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: BravoBravo on January 23, 2017, 08:47:13 pm
2012, so obviously non-ES.


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Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: greenwall on January 23, 2017, 09:25:24 pm
Might buy a 2016 Tenere. Specifically because it is not ES. Tried both, and really couldn't find that much more appealing about the ES. Also when it wears out. And it will wear out. How will that work? Don't want to have to think about that.
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: aage on January 26, 2017, 01:49:45 am
Love my ES.  I use it all the time.   Its fantastic on the dirt roads,  makes the washboards disappear with a flick of a switch. I also change the preload often according to the total weight of the bike. Love it and would buy the ES model again.
Title: Re: Just looking for a percentage of ES to non-ES bikes
Post by: XTZELEE on January 26, 2017, 03:44:34 am
2016 ES here, never bothered with adjusting suspension manually on any of my other bikes, but use the ES for 2 up and rough roads.  Handles like solo when set for 2up