Author Topic: CCT Updated again?  (Read 1097 times)

Online WJBertrand

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1665
  • Ventura Highway
CCT Updated again?
« on: October 11, 2017, 07:28:13 pm »
I noticed when perusing some parts fiches that Yamaha has fitted a new PN CCT starting with the 2017 model.  Looking at other year models, this latest part number supersedes both the original Gen 1 and  later Gen 2 CCT part numbers with yet another one. Anyone know what they have changed on the CCT this time?
-Jeff-
Ventura, CA
2015 Yamaha Super Tenere ES

Offline 2daMax

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 560
Re: CCT Updated again?
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2017, 12:40:44 am »
Can't answer but glad Yamaha is still trying to improve the design.  Now, waiting for early adopters to let us know...
Current: 2012 Super Tenere - White/Red Speedblocks
Previous:
2011 to 2015 - Kawasaki Versys 650 2011
2010 to 2011 - Kawasaki Ninja 250R 2008

Offline greg the pole

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3218
  • There are no stupid questions, only stupid people
Re: CCT Updated again?
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2017, 09:23:03 am »
why not just go with a manual CCT and forget it.
When I rebuilt the top end on my 2012, the manual cct didn't even budge after 40k km...

It's hard to soar like an eagle, when you're surrounded by turkeys

Bikes current:
2017 Honda AT slushie
2014 KTM 300 XC Smoker.  Ring a ding ding
...ya owned a few ...2012 XT1200, FJ09, FZ07, FZ09, FZ01 1st Gen, ST1300, KLR's, DR650's, DR400, DL1000, TLS, VFR,CBR..

Offline OldRider

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 1278
Re: CCT Updated again?
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2017, 09:25:07 am »
Usually if there is a major change the first three letters/numbers will change like it did between 13 & 14 models. By changing the 00 to 01 that could be something as simple as a different color. Take 2BS-12210-XX-XX. The 2BS tells you it's a 14 model part, the 12210 means it's a CCT and the XX-XX usually means a minor change such as color. Someone will have to compare the two in order to know for sure.

Online WJBertrand

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1665
  • Ventura Highway
Re: CCT Updated again?
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2017, 12:14:43 pm »
Usually if there is a major change the first three letters/numbers will change like it did between 13 & 14 models. By changing the 00 to 01 that could be something as simple as a different color. Take 2BS-12210-XX-XX. The 2BS tells you it's a 14 model part, the 12210 means it's a CCT and the XX-XX usually means a minor change such as color. Someone will have to compare the two in order to know for sure.

Thanks, I've also heard that the same design might be sourced from a different supplier and given a p/n change to keep track.
-Jeff-
Ventura, CA
2015 Yamaha Super Tenere ES

Offline Checkswrecks

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 7907
  • Ungenear to broked stuff
Re: CCT Updated again?
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2017, 12:37:04 pm »
Thanks, I've also heard that the same design might be sourced from a different supplier and given a p/n change to keep track.

The K&N filter person I spoke with was REALLY frustrated that the company didn't do this, but it was after they found their new supplier had changed oil filter baseplates from concave to convex.
Damascus, MD
XTZ1200, KTM 690R

Offline jbrown

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 149
Re: CCT Updated again?
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2017, 12:42:18 pm »
Based on my experience working for companies that manufacture items,  the main reason for a new part is cost reduction,  not an improved design.  A new part from Yamaha doesn't necessarily mean it's a better part.

Offline dcstrom

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 1998
    • Super Tenere information
Re: CCT Updated again?
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2018, 06:38:06 am »
Anyone have any news on this new part? I've already replaced the original '12 tensioner with a '14, and now 65,000 miles later the '14 tensioner is getting a bit noisy. That's only 10,000 miles less than the mileage on the original tensioner when it failed. So wondering if it's time to replace again - either with the '17 part or a manual CCT. If the '17 part is improved again, then I'd rather go with that than the manual...
Currently travelling from DC to Argentina http://tinyurl.com/EscapeFromDC
http://supertenere1200.com/

Online WJBertrand

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1665
  • Ventura Highway
Re: CCT Updated again?
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2018, 11:48:06 am »
why not just go with a manual CCT and forget it.
When I rebuilt the top end on my 2012, the manual cct didn't even budge after 40k km...

Sorry for the delayed response, but I would think that if one has an active YES policy, fitting an aftermarket tensioner would disavow Yamaha of any warranty responsibility should you have any kind of problem with the valve train or even the engine later.  Personally I will stick with OEM bits while YES is in effect.
-Jeff-
Ventura, CA
2015 Yamaha Super Tenere ES

Offline OldRider

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 1278
Re: CCT Updated again?
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2018, 12:40:38 pm »
Sorry for the delayed response, but I would think that if one has an active YES policy, fitting an aftermarket tensioner would disavow Yamaha of any warranty responsibility should you have any kind of problem with the valve train or even the engine later.  Personally I will stick with OEM bits while YES is in effect.

I would make sure Yamaha never saw a manual CCT on the bike. They put a junk one on and I would have no bad feelings about running a better CCT and not telling them.

Offline Checkswrecks

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 7907
  • Ungenear to broked stuff
Re: CCT Updated again?
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2018, 01:16:23 pm »
Sorry for the delayed response, but I would think that if one has an active YES policy, fitting an aftermarket tensioner would disavow Yamaha of any warranty responsibility should you have any kind of problem with the valve train or even the engine later.  Personally I will stick with OEM bits while YES is in effect.


This made me chuckle.
With 130,000 miles on four continents while loaded for living off the bike, I doubt warranty is the something that DCStrom is concerned about. He's one of our top testers in seeing how reliable the bike can be under long term and adverse circumstances.
And a nice guy.
Damascus, MD
XTZ1200, KTM 690R

Online WJBertrand

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1665
  • Ventura Highway
Re: CCT Updated again?
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2018, 02:07:00 pm »

This made me chuckle.
With 130,000 miles on four continents while loaded for living off the bike, I doubt warranty is the something that DCStrom is concerned about. He's one of our top testers in seeing how reliable the bike can be under long term and adverse circumstances.
And a nice guy.

Ha! Yes, in that case no concerns.  My case however is different.
-Jeff-
Ventura, CA
2015 Yamaha Super Tenere ES

Offline Kevhunts

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 739
  • "For every one you see, you probably missed three"
Re: CCT Updated again?
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2018, 02:21:55 pm »
Anyone have any news on this new part? I've already replaced the original '12 tensioner with a '14, and now 65,000 miles later the '14 tensioner is getting a bit noisy. That's only 10,000 miles less than the mileage on the original tensioner when it failed. So wondering if it's time to replace again - either with the '17 part or a manual CCT. If the '17 part is improved again, then I'd rather go with that than the manual...

Not trying to start a debate or criticize your choices but, just out of curiosity, what brand, weight, and frequency do you change your engine oil? ::)
The act of riding is a form of meditation, because the concentration that's required to safely ride a motorcycle tends to focus the mind in a way that eliminates other mental distractions that might interfere with the mission.

Offline dcstrom

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 1998
    • Super Tenere information
Re: CCT Updated again?
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2018, 05:04:42 pm »
Not trying to start a debate or criticize your choices but, just out of curiosity, what brand, weight, and frequency do you change your engine oil? ::)

You can ask  :D , but I don't think it has much to do with tensioner issues. As far as I've seen, everyone that has has failures (with the early tensioner) has been in the 60-80,000 mile range. Maybe oils and change intervals effect that a little bit, but the fact is it will fail at higher mileage no matter what your routine.

I try to run 10-40 semi-synth motorcycle oil most of the time, prefer Motul or Yamalube if I have a choice. There are times when I have to use what I can get - like in Iran where motorcycle-specific oils are impossible to find. Oil changes are dictated by wnen I've used my spare half-liter of oil. I buy 4 litres for an oil change, and with the leftovers top up when oil level is at the low mark, roughly 2000-2500 miles. When it needs topping up the second time, I change. That could be as little as 3500 miles if I've been doing a lot of higher-speed riding, or as much as 5000 miles. Oil useage has changed very little since new, and I'm at 138,000 miles now.
Currently travelling from DC to Argentina http://tinyurl.com/EscapeFromDC
http://supertenere1200.com/

Offline Crew Chief

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 142
Re: CCT Updated again?
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2018, 09:04:13 pm »
I'm not aware of a bike with an automatic CCT that doesn't have issues with them. It's the nature of the beast. MY other bikes have manual tensioners installed or have them waiting for installation.
Mike Brewster
Current:2014 Super Tenere', 2000 DRZ400, 1995 Kawasaki Concours
Previous: 1975 Kawasaki H1, 1982 Yamaha Seca 650, 2001 KLR650

 

Related Topics

  Subject / Started by Replies Last post
10 Replies
2041 Views
Last post December 21, 2012, 09:40:46 pm
by joneil
5 Replies
1272 Views
Last post March 17, 2015, 12:37:26 pm
by greg the pole
4 Replies
993 Views
Last post September 18, 2015, 04:47:12 pm
by HeliMark
2 Replies
989 Views
Last post May 21, 2016, 12:01:02 am
by delecti1
0 Replies
335 Views
Last post May 21, 2016, 09:04:09 am
by Checkswrecks


testate