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Re: Finally. It's coming. XT700
« Reply #75 on: July 12, 2017, 08:37:24 am »
Being Yamaha, I doubt they reduce the weight too much, partly because that is not what they have ever done with their dual sports. Ever. MamaYama is super conservative and is known for making bikes which don't break, meaning extra weight.


And even more important, it's a slightly more off-road capable version of the VStrom and Versys so they have a hard-limit in their price point that they MUST not exceed.


Price probably also means that an aftermarket will quickly develop for forks, shocks, lowering/raising links, and windshields. It'll be interesting to see the bike with an aftermarket high front fender.


They can do a lot to change the character of the engine with flywheel weight, cams, injection, etc. Here's where the bike will have its' own personality and I doubt the motor feel is that much like what we've already seen. The bike has been in development for so long, I'm sure they will get this spot-on. Other than the typical too-lean off-idle stumble to meet EPA regs, but people will figure out how to get past that quickly.


With the usual farkles, I think this is going to be more friendly than a Lab puppy and a big success.
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Re: Finally. It's coming. XT700
« Reply #76 on: July 12, 2017, 04:21:29 pm »
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Re: Finally. It's coming. XT700
« Reply #77 on: July 13, 2017, 01:58:26 pm »
Being Yamaha, I doubt they reduce the weight too much, partly because that is not what they have ever done with their dual sports. Ever. MamaYama is super conservative and is known for making bikes which don't break, meaning extra weight.


And even more important, it's a slightly more off-road capable version of the VStrom and Versys so they have a hard-limit in their price point that they MUST not exceed.


Price probably also means that an aftermarket will quickly develop for forks, shocks, lowering/raising links, and windshields. It'll be interesting to see the bike with an aftermarket high front fender.


They can do a lot to change the character of the engine with flywheel weight, cams, injection, etc. Here's where the bike will have its' own personality and I doubt the motor feel is that much like what we've already seen. The bike has been in development for so long, I'm sure they will get this spot-on. Other than the typical too-lean off-idle stumble to meet EPA regs, but people will figure out how to get past that quickly.


With the usual farkles, I think this is going to be more friendly than a Lab puppy and a big success.
the 700 motor is a peach.  It's wheelies like a madman in 2nd, has phenomenal fuel economy (Riding around like a muppet-as I usally do) it returned 300km in town at roughly 12L...4L/100km.
My FJ09 is burning 5.2L/100km in the city.

What I don't see is the T7 weighing more than 450lb fuelled.  The little FZ07 is just over 400Lb wet.  Granted it's a naked bike.

then again, I know nothing.

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Re: Finally. It's coming. XT700
« Reply #78 on: July 13, 2017, 02:27:05 pm »
the 700 motor is a peach.  It's wheelies like a madman in 2nd, has phenomenal fuel economy (Riding around like a muppet-as I usally do) it returned 300km in town at roughly 12L...4L/100km.
My FJ09 is burning 5.2L/100km in the city.

What I don't see is the T7 weighing more than 450lb fuelled.  The little FZ07 is just over 400Lb wet.  Granted it's a naked bike.

then again, I know nothing.

You're going on what you know about the current FZ-07. Sure, they'll use the same motor, but it's unlikely it will be in the same state of tune as FZ-07.
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Re: Finally. It's coming. XT700
« Reply #79 on: July 13, 2017, 05:18:27 pm »
You're going on what you know about the current FZ-07. Sure, they'll use the same motor, but it's unlikely it will be in the same state of tune as FZ-07.

as is the FZ07 motor was tuned for usability, and economy, not power.  iT was snappier than the tenere, and much smoother.  I don't see it changing drastically to the T7.
extra fairing, lower frame, and better suspension (here's hoping :D ) will add to the weight of the FZ07
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Re: Finally. It's coming. XT700
« Reply #80 on: July 13, 2017, 07:30:00 pm »
You're going on what you know about the current FZ-07. Sure, they'll use the same motor, but it's unlikely it will be in the same state of tune as FZ-07.


I agree. Same as the Suzy SV650 and DL650 both using their V-twin. The feel is night and day different.
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Re: Finally. It's coming. XT700
« Reply #82 on: July 13, 2017, 11:42:00 pm »
Would really like to see this prototype come in just like this, not some BS watered down version of it.  Sure looks FUN !
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Re: Finally. It's coming. XT700
« Reply #84 on: July 20, 2017, 12:49:59 pm »
Would really like to see this prototype come in just like this, not some BS watered down version of it.  Sure looks FUN !
I have my fears.  I hope they are not confirmed..
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Re: Finally. It's coming. XT700
« Reply #85 on: July 20, 2017, 09:16:06 pm »
They said that the prototype is 396 lbs. The video shows it WITHOUT a chain guard and other necessary trinkets, and includes some carbon pieces.
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Re: Finally. It's coming. XT700
« Reply #86 on: July 20, 2017, 09:39:15 pm »
I would hope Yamaha would never fit a seat like that thing to anything but a motocross bike. Talk about torture to ride! We have guys here that complain on the 1200 Super Tenere seat!  Good luck getting 25 miles out of that XT700 seat pictured without major pain. I was riding last Saturday, and a guy had a brand new Husky 701 on the road, and apparently it has a terrible seat. He never rode more that 1 mile without either standing for a while, hanging his legs out ect. This went on for 50 plus miles. Guys really want a seat like this?
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Re: Finally. It's coming. XT700
« Reply #87 on: July 21, 2017, 08:43:59 am »
I bet likely an FJ-09 based on the current Euro MT-07 Tracer for us this fall.  A T7 will likely be a tough sale stateside in numbers justified to ship here.

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Re: Finally. It's coming. XT700
« Reply #88 on: July 21, 2017, 10:10:12 am »

The only thing that will make it from concept to actual bike is the motor, frame, maybe the swing arm. 
Everything else will be geared more towards a true 50/50 light adv bike.

It's not a wr250r with a FZ07 motor.
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Re: Finally. It's coming. XT700
« Reply #89 on: July 21, 2017, 10:29:19 am »
I guess that's where my skepticism was stemming from....the seat.  Great for playing in the dirt, standing up, but not for distances.  A person would truly have to have an IRON BUTT to enjoy the seat.
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