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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #60 on: November 14, 2017, 07:03:36 am »
Isn't every RV in the world tan/beige/brown??? (except that wild Red thing you found)

You can sometimes get them in other colors:



Full ad here: https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/rvs/d/16ft-toy-hauler-fun-runner/6385726244.html

DISCLAIMER: this isn't my trailer, just one I saw when looking at CL.
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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #61 on: November 14, 2017, 01:41:20 pm »
Yea, there really ARE many many many different kinds of buildings-on-wheels. You wouldn't believe some of the stuff you come across as you camp\glamp across this amazing continent.

But I was messing with BigBob.

Actually, the 17RP does come in 2 different models, but it isn't color choices, but instead is material choices.

Here it is in aluminum siding.......

http://www.aokrvs.com/default.asp?page=xNewInventoryDetail&id=3227791&p=1&vc=toy%20hauler&s=Date%20Added&d=A&t=new&fr=xNewInventory

Here it is in fiberglass. (looks more modern, but in fact is misleading since 90% of the time fiberglass\gel coat siding means the RV uses an aluminum frame instead of wood. Lighter and considered longer lasting. But the 17RP is the cheaper wood framed RV regardless of the siding)

http://www.aokrvs.com/default.asp?page=xNewInventoryDetail&id=3282004&p=1&vc=toy%20hauler&s=Date%20Added&d=A&t=new&fr=xNewInventory


I chose the gel coat model simply because Forest River also appears to better equip the 17RP that they ship with the upgraded "look". In fact, if it is the 17RP "limited", it already has every option available. Like stainless appliances and aluminum wheels, 75 mph tires, ............
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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #62 on: November 15, 2017, 07:58:21 am »
Yea, there really ARE many many many different kinds of buildings-on-wheels. You wouldn't believe some of the stuff you come across as you camp\glamp across this amazing continent.

But I was messing with BigBob.

Actually, the 17RP does come in 2 different models, but it isn't color choices, but instead is material choices.

Here it is in aluminum siding.......

http://www.aokrvs.com/default.asp?page=xNewInventoryDetail&id=3227791&p=1&vc=toy%20hauler&s=Date%20Added&d=A&t=new&fr=xNewInventory

Here it is in fiberglass. (looks more modern, but in fact is misleading since 90% of the time fiberglass\gel coat siding means the RV uses an aluminum frame instead of wood. Lighter and considered longer lasting. But the 17RP is the cheaper wood framed RV regardless of the siding)

http://www.aokrvs.com/default.asp?page=xNewInventoryDetail&id=3282004&p=1&vc=toy%20hauler&s=Date%20Added&d=A&t=new&fr=xNewInventory


I chose the gel coat model simply because Forest River also appears to better equip the 17RP that they ship with the upgraded "look". In fact, if it is the 17RP "limited", it already has every option available. Like stainless appliances and aluminum wheels, 75 mph tires, ............


I've had both aluminum siding and gel coat, and I hope the gel coat has gotten better (mine was a 2003 motorhome) as it seems to deteriorate faster in the sun, and seems harder to maintain.
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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #63 on: November 15, 2017, 09:06:22 am »
I've had both aluminum siding and gel coat, and I hope the gel coat has gotten better (mine was a 2003 motorhome) as it seems to deteriorate faster in the sun, and seems harder to maintain.

It depends. This new rig I have from Cherokee is not the standard fiberglass gelcoat glued to luan plywood. It's some sort of PVC plastic material. My older 2008 Forest River Surveyor had problems with some deterioration of the gel coat. This stuff doesn't seem to have that problem, the trade off is that it looks "wavy" when you catch it in the sunlight the right way. The only exception is the rear door and the cargo hatch doors. Which will need to be replaced at some point, as they don't seem particularly sturdy.

I keep the rig in covered storage (pole barn with bird netting) it's not cheap, but it keeps the tires from dry rotting, keeps the roof new, keeps the vinyl stickers from peeling (Huge effect on resale value for some reason) and I won't have to wash it when it comes out in the spring. Once we move to FL in June I plan on building my own pole barn or metal structure to keep it out of the FL sun.
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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #64 on: November 15, 2017, 10:27:59 am »
If you are building an actual POLE barn, something to consider are some cross beams to hang a trailer from. Realizing that neither of my trailers weighs more than 400#, I have them suspended beneath my elevated deck. Totally eliminated any rubber rot, flat spot tires, weather effects, or insect issues. I lift the trailer tongue and each rear corner. (3 points)
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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #65 on: November 15, 2017, 05:58:51 pm »
Being "po' white trash", I have to use a Harbor Freight hydraulic jack, and couple of Harbor Freight jack stands.  Crude, but effective.  (I do like your system better though)
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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #66 on: February 08, 2018, 02:41:17 am »
Here ya go BigBob

http://www.boltiton.com/



Or a cheaper way


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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #67 on: February 08, 2018, 06:18:30 pm »
Thank you sir. Boltiton Looks good to me but a couple questions.

How wide is your bar?  And how far apart are the d-rings in the Pup?

And finally which chock do you use for the Tenere?  Dirt bike or sport bike?  Not enough detail on the site for me to see the difference.
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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #68 on: February 09, 2018, 12:12:01 am »
If you're outfitting a wolf puppy, you don't have to worry. He (Scott) has all my dimensions. I actually had him build me bars for front and rear so I can put 2 or 3 bikes in.

Just tell Scott at Boltiton that Brucey in Texas had you call. :)

Dirt bike chock is appropriate for our front tires.

By the way, Scott is a great guy. He builds these in his spare time. First class work.

If I get around to it, I'll do a mockup load and take pics.



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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #69 on: February 09, 2018, 01:19:03 pm »
Went last weekend to look at this local Adrenaline Blast MPH-150 and it presented really well. No water stains, floor solid as a rock, felt nothing soft in the walls, no water stains in the hidden areas, and virtually no rust since came to our area from California.


Then I went up on the roof. Oops. Dried cracked sealant everywhere.

And more important, the black spots are mold and they weren't the surface kind that can be washed away. It's a rubber fabric roof over what is probably chipboard, meaning that the fabric has become permeable and the chipboard underneath is molding. Both are fixable but the black spots mean it's new roof time. In the aft left corner of the roof was a little torn flap in the worst place; the low spot near the corner. It's right where water will flow along the molding to go down through the hole and into the chipboard/wood structure. The area out past my hand has no black mold spots because it's hollow. There's no roof structure left touching the roof fabric to mold through it.


Don't have the time or inclination to do this one myself so talked to two RV service managers. Replacing the roof will cost $3500-$4000 PLUS wood repairs once it is opened up. Not suprised to see a 9 year old camper needing a new roof, just relating to others how much it will cost to have somebody else do the repair. The materials are fairly inexpensive and a person doing the labor on his own trailer could probably get away for less than $500. Then went and crawled around the floor to look at the bottom of the camper. Found SEVEN frame cracks, one above EACH of the spring shackles and one at the end of a suppport. Here's above one of the spring shackles:


From an engineering point of view, there's NO surprise the frame cracked where it has. Went online and found somebody else who bought the same model trailer and posted photos of cracks in the same locations.
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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #70 on: February 09, 2018, 02:58:39 pm »
Yep, the average RV is NOT well engineered, nor will it weather the test of time (mother nature) without substantial attention and upkeep.

I should know. RV's are my life. I have lived in them for some time now.

One major rule of thumb......A dry RV is a happy RV. It really does come down to that. Roof Roof Roof, Windows Windows Windows, plumbing plumbing......
Everything else is easy to address for a handyman.

WreckerChecker, I love ya man. You know that. But RV's will drive YOU nuts! They're just not up to your standards. Lol
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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #71 on: February 09, 2018, 08:30:03 pm »
Cannot wait to get mine. Des Moines bike show and swap meet this weekend. My Star group always has a booth and one member was bringing a bike.

When we got there the organizer asked our guy to put his bike in the “show” area. Since the trailer was there he asked me if we could get my indian for our booth. So we did.

Now realize in warm weather the bikes own the garage. But when it gets white out the indian gets covered in the front corner. The Tenere and snowblower share the middle.  The truck just clears the door while NOT hitting the indian.

Anyway came home tonight and I could close the garage door and still fit my fat ahhh whatever between the door and truck.

So next year the Indian and the lawn tractor in front of the wife’s van will spend the winter in the toy hauler.
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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #72 on: February 09, 2018, 08:34:41 pm »
Since the trailer was there he asked me if we could get my indian for our booth. So we did.
Not started but on a tender since November 10th ish. At 12 degrees not sure it was going to start.

Took 10-12 tries.
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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #73 on: February 10, 2018, 04:10:12 pm »
Due to my experience owning airplanes, I'm pretty against owning things.  I think having access to a bike carrying RV would be pretty nice, but if I can't rent or lease it, I can't imagine I'd ever do it.
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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #74 on: February 12, 2018, 01:57:37 pm »
Due to my experience owning airplanes, I'm pretty against owning things.  I think having access to a bike carrying RV would be pretty nice, but if I can't rent or lease it, I can't imagine I'd ever do it.

While I'm not against owning things (it's mine, and I'm not bound by terms to do as I please with it...) As someone who is an RV owner this attitude nails it. The RV Industry is a travesty. RV's are a financial disaster. The only good news is that the loan interest counts as mortgage interest (which is hardly a reason to justify the purchase OR financing the purchase). There are quality RV manufacturers that could be count on one hand. The cost of ownership is as much as a house. That's a lifestyle choice, not a weekend hobby.

The rest of the RV's out there are plywood shacks on wheels bolted together by unskilled American labor and literally falling apart as they travel down the road, as Checkswrecks post pointed out. His post shows the rule, not the exception. Overweight from the factory floor, un-regulated, pulled by trucks and drivers that are not qualified or rated to legally pull them. And, somehow, the industry has effectively eluded regulation and scrutiny at a federal level. The industry is about to crash harder than Harley Davidson. You can probably pick up a cheap shack on wheels soon if you did want to become an owner at a price point that makes owning a reasonable endeavor. The ramp up to build RV's to meet the millennial demand for units has plateaued and the inventory is unsustainable. https://www.investors.com/research/ibd-industry-themes/winnebago-thor-industries-trigger-sell-signal-as-analyst-says-rv-inventories-unsustainable/

I'm not saying you shouldn't buy an RV. I'm saying you need to really really put a lot of thought into making the purchase, the total cost of ownership, and if that total cost is worth it.


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