Author Topic: S10 ES rear shock Racetech SRSP 6022 series direct replacement spring!!!!  (Read 8157 times)

Offline hawk281

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This is aimed at the guys who have beefed up their rear shock. Have you noticed any differnt wear patterns on your front tire, now that the weight bias has changed? I am showing more wear on the front tire after 6000 miles than when the suspension was stock. I generally run the setting at one rider/standard 2 with me and the panniers on board. I will say that the turniing ability is better, which leads me to believe that the front tire is making more contact than stock.  ::021::

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This is aimed at the guys who have beefed up their rear shock. Have you noticed any differnt wear patterns on your front tire, now that the weight bias has changed? I am showing more wear on the front tire after 6000 miles than when the suspension was stock. I generally run the setting at one rider/standard 2 with me and the panniers on board. I will say that the turniing ability is better, which leads me to believe that the front tire is making more contact than stock.  ::021::

For the first time I wore out a front before a rear recently since replacing the rear spring. I don't know if it's a good comparison though as the second set of tires were Michelin Anakee IIIs compared to the OEM Battlewings.


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Just swapped my rear spring out this week on my 2017 ES.  I used an SRSP 6022085 (476 LB/in).  Nice drop-in fit with no shims / spacers required.  I weight about 200-210LB geared up and have some luggage and with misc. rain gear, 12V pump, work back-pack, etc.  I'm running One-Helmet for solo riding, and Two-Helmet +Luggage for 2-Up-ing.  I haven't taken any sag measurements yet, but seat-o'-the-pants feel is good.
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Re: S10 ES rear shock Racetech SRSP 6022 series direct replacement spring!!!!
« Reply #63 on: November 08, 2017, 06:37:07 pm »
Thank you all for the great input, based in the information from this topic I made my mind on swapping my rear spring.

I appreciate any advices:

I'm 240lbs butt naked on a 2016 ST ES with no panniers, no luggage, no rotopax or any extra weight on the bike.
I was thinking of taking my bike (soon) to Race Tech to add the "SK SPRING 8.0 x 2.25" 19.6kg", $125 for the spring, $35 for the spacers and $75 labor unless
someone tells me its not the best option.

My only concern on this whole thing is: do I need to change the fork springs as well?

Thank you.
Dennis.

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Re: S10 ES rear shock Racetech SRSP 6022 series direct replacement spring!!!!
« Reply #64 on: November 09, 2017, 04:15:01 pm »
Hi Dennis,

I am close to your weight, I did the rear spring but not the front and I have no problems with it. Sag check on the front was OK, the rear was horrible.

My suggestion would be do the rear and try it out.
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Re: S10 ES rear shock Racetech SRSP 6022 series direct replacement spring!!!!
« Reply #65 on: November 09, 2017, 05:00:27 pm »
Hi Dennis,

I am close to your weight, I did the rear spring but not the front and I have no problems with it. Sag check on the front was OK, the rear was horrible.

My suggestion would be do the rear and try it out.
Thank you for the info Karl.
So, Race Tech is the way to go?
Dennis.

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Re: S10 ES rear shock Racetech SRSP 6022 series direct replacement spring!!!!
« Reply #66 on: November 09, 2017, 07:16:46 pm »
I did mine before race-tech had an offering.

I used a standard eibach spring and made my own spring spacer/seat. I have a thread on it in the suspension section from a while back.
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Re: S10 ES rear shock Racetech SRSP 6022 series direct replacement spring!!!!
« Reply #67 on: November 10, 2017, 06:12:48 pm »
Thank you all for the great input, based in the information from this topic I made my mind on swapping my rear spring.

I appreciate any advices:

I'm 240lbs butt naked on a 2016 ST ES with no panniers, no luggage, no rotopax or any extra weight on the bike.
I was thinking of taking my bike (soon) to Race Tech to add the "SK SPRING 8.0 x 2.25" 19.6kg", $125 for the spring, $35 for the spacers and $75 labor unless
someone tells me its not the best option.

My only concern on this whole thing is: do I need to change the fork springs as well?

Thank you.

Note that this thread was about a DIRECT REPLACEMENT spring and not using a spacer.  Either approach is "good enough" I think.  I would use caution just sending it in to Race Tech and letting them have at it.  My conversations with them were less than satisfactory when I tried to discuss spring rates and replacement sizes for the ES bike.  They insisted that the rate would be the same as calculated on their spring rate formula and that the ES was no different.  WRONG.  The guy finally put me on hold to discuss it with the "shop guys" and came back to politely tell me I was all wrong.  Against his advice I ordered what I knew to be very close to what I needed based on the hard work of the originators of this and the other threads on the ES shock.  It looks like Race Tech is sending you down the same wrong road.  They have you needing to install their SESP 802251100  spring which is a whopping 19.6KG or 1097.6 lb/in!!!!!  You're going to find that a bit stiff :'(  If you want to use the spring with a spacer approach I would read that thread and choose a rate based on one of those guys.   I believe a couple were your weight or more and carried hard luggage at times.  If you want to use the Direct Replacement Spring without a spacer you can use the Race Tech SRSP 6022 line of springs in your choice.   I would check with one of the forum vendors here rideonadv.com, screen name Tabasco, for a spacer.  At least you know that will be right!  The advantage to the spacer method is the springs are cheaper.  I forget the brand but they can be ordered from Summit Racing for I think 85.00.  You might want to change rates in the future.  If your taking the shock out maybe just buy the Tusk brand spring compressors at like $35.00 and do it your self.  You'll always have the tool.   As an update on my Race Tech spring I choose the SRSP 6022090 at 9.0Kg or 504 lb/in .  I am now only 1,500 miles into it and the spring has (hopefully) settled in because it has "settled" a lot!  You can reread my weight and installed extras but I am at 67mm of sag on the 1 rider setting.  Curiously the front is exactly the same so all good there.  The front  "PoGo's " horribly offroad at any setting and that is due to the dual rate springs and lack of adequate damping.  I don't ride it offroad anymore so it's not an issue.  Changing the front springs are a whole other issue as they are different from the non-ES bike as well.  Look for threads here on that problem but get the rear done first and then check sag front/rear to see where your at.
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Re: S10 ES rear shock Racetech SRSP 6022 series direct replacement spring!!!!
« Reply #68 on: November 10, 2017, 07:27:21 pm »
Summit Racing sells the Eibach brand of springs.  I fitted a 550lb/in with a 10mm custom spacer which works very well for me (230 lbs, side cases usually 1/2 loaded).  The part number is 0800.250.0550. You can select different rate springs by changing the last 3 numbers which represent spring rate in lbs./in.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/eib-08002500550

Seems like they've dropped the price now to $66.  I have not noticed any "pogoing" of the front on or off road, but I'm not that aggressive in off-road environments, though I push it pretty hard on the pavement.
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2005 Honda ST1300A

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Re: S10 ES rear shock Racetech SRSP 6022 series direct replacement spring!!!!
« Reply #69 on: November 10, 2017, 07:58:05 pm »
Summit Racing sells the Eibach brand of springs.  I fitted a 550lb/in with a 10mm custom spacer which works very well for me (230 lbs, side cases usually 1/2 loaded).  The part number is 0800.250.0550. You can select different rate springs by changing the last 3 numbers which represent spring rate in lbs./in.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/eib-08002500550

Seems like they've dropped the price now to $66.  I have not noticed any "pogoing" of the front on or off road, but I'm not that aggressive in off-road environments, though I push it pretty hard on the pavement.

Holy crap!  Back up the bus ???  Did you lose 100lbs between post 46 and 48????
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Re: S10 ES rear shock Racetech SRSP 6022 series direct replacement spring!!!!
« Reply #70 on: November 11, 2017, 11:20:22 am »
Holy crap!  Back up the bus ???  Did you lose 100lbs between post 46 and 48????

Whoops, typo (and I did it twice!) edited.


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Re: S10 ES rear shock Racetech SRSP 6022 series direct replacement spring!!!!
« Reply #71 on: November 13, 2017, 09:53:44 pm »
Hi Dennis,

I am close to your weight, I did the rear spring but not the front and I have no problems with it. Sag check on the front was OK, the rear was horrible.

My suggestion would be do the rear and try it out.
Will do.
Thank you.

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Re: S10 ES rear shock Racetech SRSP 6022 series direct replacement spring!!!!
« Reply #72 on: November 13, 2017, 10:08:14 pm »
Note that this thread was about a DIRECT REPLACEMENT spring and not using a spacer.  Either approach is "good enough" I think.  I would use caution just sending it in to Race Tech and letting them have at it.  My conversations with them were less than satisfactory when I tried to discuss spring rates and replacement sizes for the ES bike.  They insisted that the rate would be the same as calculated on their spring rate formula and that the ES was no different.  WRONG.  The guy finally put me on hold to discuss it with the "shop guys" and came back to politely tell me I was all wrong.  Against his advice I ordered what I knew to be very close to what I needed based on the hard work of the originators of this and the other threads on the ES shock.  It looks like Race Tech is sending you down the same wrong road.  They have you needing to install their SESP 802251100  spring which is a whopping 19.6KG or 1097.6 lb/in!!!!!  You're going to find that a bit stiff :'(  If you want to use the spring with a spacer approach I would read that thread and choose a rate based on one of those guys.   I believe a couple were your weight or more and carried hard luggage at times.  If you want to use the Direct Replacement Spring without a spacer you can use the Race Tech SRSP 6022 line of springs in your choice.   I would check with one of the forum vendors here rideonadv.com, screen name Tabasco, for a spacer.  At least you know that will be right!  The advantage to the spacer method is the springs are cheaper.  I forget the brand but they can be ordered from Summit Racing for I think 85.00.  You might want to change rates in the future.  If your taking the shock out maybe just buy the Tusk brand spring compressors at like $35.00 and do it your self.  You'll always have the tool.   As an update on my Race Tech spring I choose the SRSP 6022090 at 9.0Kg or 504 lb/in .  I am now only 1,500 miles into it and the spring has (hopefully) settled in because it has "settled" a lot!  You can reread my weight and installed extras but I am at 67mm of sag on the 1 rider setting.  Curiously the front is exactly the same so all good there.  The front  "PoGo's " horribly offroad at any setting and that is due to the dual rate springs and lack of adequate damping.  I don't ride it offroad anymore so it's not an issue.  Changing the front springs are a whole other issue as they are different from the non-ES bike as well.  Look for threads here on that problem but get the rear done first and then check sag front/rear to see where your at.
Thank you for the great info, I had the same feeling with Race Tech.

I spoke with Jax last week about raising the back with dog bone risers and I think he said he does not make spacers anymore. Not sure about that.

Im getting to much information from too many different people and now I can't remember shit. I need the habit of writing down stuff.

Im reviewing all previous posts to see if I can find the exactly info I need including shocks brand, spacer and distributors.

Thank you and thank you again.

Dennis


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