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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #75 on: February 12, 2018, 05:40:57 pm »
Nice Rant!!!!

And I agree to a large extent. But.........you left out how awesome RVing is. Lol
I absolutely love the whole lifestyle. There's just nothing else that compares.

Keep in mind that I don't have to have consensus, which is probably the biggest obstacle for most. I'd never do this if it required ANYONE to sacrifice.
Also, since it's a solo venture, I can play at the lower-cost level. I don't need a Diesel tow vehicle nor a large floorplan.

I live in a 2017 luxury equipped RV that cost about $22k (retail was $33ish. But this industry is 30% off MSRP without hardly dickering)
Anybody got an alternative to a turnkey house for 20grand?

Also, I would be disingenuous if I didn't point out that the 10 acres of woods that I park the tinyhouse on is a huge reason for the quality of life I celebrate.
I own the dirt, but it cost a few times more than the RV.

But again, they ARE thrown together without skilled labor. But after researching and learning the ins&outs, they're relatively simple to address.
As stated earlier, take care of that roof. And if you buy a new one, climb up there and FIX what was likely done poorly.

Warning: If you LIVE in it, you'll need another one for travel. Because there's no way it'll stay light enough for the rated gross weight. Nor will it roll down the road without your stuff flying all around.

Thus the toy hauler and the teardrop. They're road ready at a moments notice. And both are shod with tires that can let me fly down the road. I'd go crazy in the RV lane watching 18 wheelers passing me. ;)






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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #76 on: February 13, 2018, 01:33:31 pm »
I own one. Enjoy it, and towed it about 10K miles to various places last year. I don't think this is any different from owning a boat (setting aside some quality issues), or really any "toy". Heck, I take the bike in the dirt knowing full well that it just might cost me some money due to dropping it.

I do agree that the RV industry and quality for the most part are on polar opposites, but that will not change until people stop buying them for that reason.

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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #77 on: February 13, 2018, 02:42:22 pm »
Nice Rant!!!!

And I agree to a large extent. But.........you left out how awesome RVing is. Lol
I absolutely love the whole lifestyle. There's just nothing else that compares.


Well that part was assumed! I love RVing and we'd be full-timing now if we could get consensus with the kids. We spent just shy of 70 nights last year in our rig before September, which is pretty darn good still having kids in public school. But I do loathe the industry, the lack of standards (RVIA is a joke). I just wish there was a sense of pride in workmanship. The industry gets to say "Built in the USA" but the real context is "Built by clock watchers making minimum wage with no experience in the USA!". They should be required to come with labels that say which day of the week they were built on so you can shop around for the "Tuesday-Thursday" edition trailer   ::025:: Sure the cost would go up, but when you're making a serious outlay of money in the 40-80k range, I would take a 20% price increase for a 50-60% increase in quality. If the bean counters at Forest River could understand that I think they'd move to a quality over quantity production model and still turn a profit. If the demand is so prevalent why do all RV's take a 30% cut off MSRP? Sure I know it's for buyers doing 100% financing when a bank will only do 80/20 loan to value. Maybe it's time the industry realized walking away from an RV purchase with no money down @180 months with 7% interest is bad faith for the consumer anyway.

Sorry. Rant off! Promise.





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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #78 on: February 13, 2018, 03:07:01 pm »

<snip>

Sorry. Rant off! Promise.

You're my favorite Ranter. Don't turn it off for me. ;)
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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #79 on: February 14, 2018, 11:41:46 am »
I've been living full time in a JayCo 161 Ultra lite for about 4 months now. It's a 2016 model and I'm pulling it with my old Dodge B1500 conversion van. It's not bad, kind of like a tiny little studio, but as everyone says, the quality on these rv's is sh*t. The furnace wants to howl and this morning the microwave/convection chimed in. The clearance lite on the left side blew off on the highway. Getting a dealer to work on these things is damn near impossible. The JayCo dealer in Amarillo told me the light blowing off is just normal wear?!

Loading and unloading is a lot easier than the back of a pickup, although I did manage to drop the S10 unloading it once. That one spot where the rear wheel is on the dirt and the front wheel is on the ramp is a long way to get a foot on the ground. But, it was the first time unloading the S10 so I chalk it up to education. I've found that NRS river straps work the best for securing the bike. 6 foot in front and 12 foot in rear, although I should cut the 12' straps down a couple of feet. The ratchet straps seem to come loose in the back, but I've never had a problem with the NRS straps.

I bought this trailer new from the JayCo dealer in Albany, NY and that was a nightmare. After telling them I wasn't going to wait until the following Tuesday to take possession they finally managed to get me out the door at closing time on Friday. I didn't notice, but the door was kinked (I think one of the lot people had it open and banged something) and it flew open on the toll way. Then my 360/5.9 liter '02 Dodge engine doesn't work real well pulling this up steep grades. I'm thinking about getting either a motorhome or trading up for a pickup and larger toy hauler. But doesn't seem to be a perfect solution and so for shits and giggles I spend a lot of time talking to people in RV parks and getting their ideas/solutions.

I think a more ideal solution would be a JayCo 222 pulled by a strong running pickup with a shell on top. Electric hitch, awning, and the fuel station. Be nice to have an extra 35 gallons of gas when down here in SW Texas. I do like the two axle, tandem setup -- I think it will go quite a bit further before the frame cracks. The 161 has absolutely zero storage space. There's a cabinet in the toilet and a drawer and a couple of cabinets in the kitchen. The van ends up being my storage shed.

All that said, with all the problems and aggravations I've had, I still think this is a great way to go. There's a wonderful feeling of independence and I'm adapting. I wish there was a higher quality solution -- but I'm not ready for the $1/2 million land yachts that I see.
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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #80 on: February 22, 2018, 10:12:37 am »
This is kinda random, but I wanted to offer some advice for anyone who reads this really great thread and decides to go RV shopping.

RVs depreciate like food, and at MSPR they have massive margins. Never, and I mean never, pay any price that is anywhere remotely close to the sticker price. If you're not 1/3 below MSRP when shopping on a new RV, find a different deal. How do you get that good of a price? Be willing to travel to get your RV. I mean, you're buying the thing ostensibly because you like to travel right? :)

Seriously...what you want to do is find a couple big RV dealers that are deep in harsh winter country, and start shopping them for leftover new models around the beginning of December. The number one priority of any new vehicle dealership is moving inventory. This goes for cars, motorcycles, RVs, boats...whatever. Well, as winter is setting in, the amount of walk-in traffic, and therefore the number of vehicles sold at this time of year plummets for things like boats and RVs.

Once you've scouted out the dealers, tell them what it is you want in general terms. For example, you might say "I want a toy hauler that is the rear garage style, but I'm towing with a half ton pickup." Then ask them what they might have on special, or have incentives on. Hell, you can come right out and tell them that what you want is a steal of a deal, so let's see the ones you're most motivated to sell. If you're a little flexible, you can really get great deals because every dealer is going to have either one particular brand, or maybe even one specific unit that they're really motivated to sell. Maybe there's one that got special ordered with a weird color stripe that nobody wants, or a left-over that for whatever reason is languishing on the lot. They badly want these kinds of things gone, and they'll do about anything to make it happen.

Example: the last RV I bought was a toy hauler that I needed to facilitate tarvelling to road races with my family.  I drove to MI in December to visit family, and on the return drive we heard that the first major winter storm of the year was on the way. I joked with my wife that this would be a great time to buy an RV, since we might be the last customers a place up here would see in 5 months. Not 30 seconds later, we came upon a billboard for a local RV place at the next exit. So, we went. Long story short, we bought a 26' Hobbi hauler. MSRP was $26900 IIRC. We bought it brand new (left over) with a $900 top shelf load leveler hitch setup, the best digital brake controller they had (installed), and about $300 worth of accessories (portable waste tank, etc) for $18,200 out the door. In this case, it was because the Hobbi toy haulers were not the garage style, they were an open floor plan, and while I loved it, it was an unpopular design, so they didn't sell well. I used that trailer for 2.5 years and sold it for $14,000.

On a side note, another good way to find an RV is to buy a used one from an RV enthusiast. Like others have said in this thread, the build quality of pretty much all RVs is absolute shit. But, a knowledgeable owner can and will address the various issues that an RV has by properly upgrading or repairing as needed. A year or three of that, and what you have is a camper that is superior in many ways to how it was the day it rolled out of the factory. It can be pretty tricky to identify RV enthusiasts and the accompanying quality used RVs, so this might be better left to later, when you have more experience with RVs, but it is a really good option. To wit, when I sold my RV it was better in several areas than when I took delivery. Notably, I redid all of the roof seams myself as they should have been done when built, which is to say that I did them as if I actually cared that they didn't leak. I also had replaced shoddy water heater plumbing with a pipe and valves installation that was roughly 57.5x better than the awful job that was done at the factory.

I just wanted to post this because it's easy for the uninitiated to get a bad deal, and to get a bad RV. If you get both that really sucks.  My Aunt recently spent $70k on a class A motorhome that in a year has yet to move over 40 miles in one go without having a failure, and I mean that literally. After I learned of this, about 10 minutes of research revealed that this RV a) came with a transmission that is a known disaster and b) the RV was available for around $52k at several dealerships within 250 miles of her home. Both were mistakes that could have been easily avoided.

Hope this helps somebody...
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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #81 on: February 22, 2018, 11:21:52 am »
I've had my fair share of RVs, starting with a Carson FunRunner toy hauler that I picked up right from the factory in Carson, CA.  It was a bare bones, light weight model, that I pulled with my 2001 Dodge Ram 1500 (which only had a 7K pound tow rating).  Sold that, and bought a used class C from El Monte RV.  Kept that one for 9 years, and drove all over the western US, and as far east as Longivew TX to pick up my Tenere...I only decided to sell it because I left company employment to strike out on my own, and having only a motorcycle and motorhome didn't seem like a good idea at the time.  A former friend of mine then gave me an old travel trailer which needed extensive repairs (the back wall had been nearly torn off in a backing accident) and remodeling, all of which I did myself (save for having all of the cushions reupholstered at a professional shop).  I sold it when my wife decided she didn't like it, and I picked up a truck camper.  With practice, I was able to load and unload it pretty easily, but my wife was never comfortable with the process (or how small the bathroom was), so it too went down the road...now I'm looking at my next RV, and one of the things I am seeing more is bumper pull toy haulers in the 21' range that have a slide out up front for the bed.  While I really like this kind of a layout, I think RV manufacturers are missing the boat in the rest of the unit, because they always extend the kitchen along the street side wall, leaving only about 6' or less full width.  Since I eventually want to add a Yamaha YXZ to my stable, I want to make sure I can fit it, while still being able to park the trailer on my driveway (which is about 27' long).

Even though I rebuilt a travel trailer (the one mentioned above; it was a 1983 year model), I don't have the skills or the time to custom make what I want, so I'm always searching for the best set of compromises (and an RV is the very definition of compromises!)
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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #82 on: February 22, 2018, 04:24:36 pm »
...  Since I eventually want to add a Yamaha YXZ to my stable, I want to make sure I can fit it, while still being able to park the trailer on my driveway (which is about 27' long).


Do the Forest River Work and plays come close to what you're looking for? More utility trailer with RV interiors.  I passed over them simply because I still needed to sleep six + a garage so I ended up with a massive trailer anyway.
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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #83 on: February 22, 2018, 09:51:44 pm »
Killer thread.

Who'd a thought you could learn so much about RV's on a Tenere forum?
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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #84 on: February 24, 2018, 07:52:16 pm »
Here ya go BigBob

http://www.boltiton.com/



Or a cheaper way





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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #85 on: February 25, 2018, 12:09:05 am »

Small world. That second picture was taken by me.  ;D  I built that double chock for my Wolf Pup.

And I copied your method exactly. Worked perfect for some 6000 miles.

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« Reply #86 on: February 25, 2018, 06:18:58 am »
It is a bit difficult to se on the picture, but maybe the bracket the wheel hits first, can tilt..if so forget my post  :)

I Denmark we have this https://www.thansen.dk/scooter-knallert-mc/vaerktoj/mc-vaerkstedet/loftebuk-og-hjulholder/holder-forhjul-scooter-mc-12-til-21-/n-244509707/pn-244509706/
And here the bracket tilt, so the bike can actually stand without any straps. I can't go backwards, and there is a little forward push all the time.
Then it is possible to get the strap on, without someone to make sure the bike is not moving back, and fall down on you :'(

I don't have one, but someone I know have, and it can also hold the S10
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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #87 on: February 25, 2018, 02:06:51 pm »
Yes, the harbor freight chock above is similar. The bike climbs the mini-ramp and then tilts the ramp to capture the front wheel in a V.
Works great. You still need straps to keep the bike from leaning excessively. But the forward-reverse movement is very limited with the smallest amount of strap-force.
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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #88 on: February 26, 2018, 11:12:35 am »
Do the Forest River Work and plays come close to what you're looking for? More utility trailer with RV interiors.  I passed over them simply because I still needed to sleep six + a garage so I ended up with a massive trailer anyway.

Definitely one of the series I've been looking at...they are on the heavy side though!
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Re: Toy Hauler
« Reply #89 on: March 10, 2018, 10:03:50 pm »
Got it today. Forgot to take close up pics.
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