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Re: Cold Start / Chain Tensioner / Busted Motor JUNK TENERE ??
« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2017, 06:34:29 pm »
There has been 4 CCT for the Tenere
23p-12210-00
23p-12210-01
2bs-12210-00
2bs-12210-01

The last one is the new for 2017 Tenere and the only one you can order now right from Yamaha

Thanks!  Then that should work.
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Re: Cold Start / Chain Tensioner / Busted Motor JUNK TENERE ??
« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2017, 10:53:02 am »
Leak down failed. "leaking all over"

I like the idea of just re setting timing (if that's the problem w/ skip) pretty sure it is.

WHATS THE BEST WAY TO GET A SERVICE MANUAL ??

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Re: Cold Start / Chain Tensioner / Busted Motor JUNK TENERE ??
« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2017, 11:02:41 am »
Leak down failed. "leaking all over"

I like the idea of just re setting timing (if that's the problem w/ skip) pretty sure it is.

WHATS THE BEST WAY TO GET A SERVICE MANUAL ??

Thanks !!!

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Re: Cold Start / Chain Tensioner / Busted Motor JUNK TENERE ??
« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2017, 12:13:56 pm »
Leak down failed. "leaking all over"

I like the idea of just re setting timing (if that's the problem w/ skip) pretty sure it is.

WHATS THE BEST WAY TO GET A SERVICE MANUAL ??

Thanks !!!

You would have to retime the cams "before" the leak down test.

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Re: Cold Start / Chain Tensioner / Busted Motor JUNK TENERE ??
« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2017, 12:44:59 pm »
unofficially is this a possible reasonable resource?  Ipad?


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« Last Edit: December 07, 2017, 07:14:44 pm by Checkswrecks »
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Re: Cold Start / Chain Tensioner / Busted Motor JUNK TENERE ??
« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2017, 01:20:42 pm »
unofficially is this a possible reasonable resource?  Ipad?


Better delete that info, as anything but Yamaha official hard copy would be bootleg and infringing on copyright laws. Moderators will remove it and it is against the rules of this forum............
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Re: Cold Start / Chain Tensioner / Busted Motor JUNK TENERE ??
« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2017, 07:21:14 pm »
unofficially is this a possible reasonable resource?  Ipad?


[Link deleted by moderator - CW]


We know that there are online Gen1 manuals in other countries but the one thing we have to take seriously is copyright laws here in the US where the forum is hosted and forum mgmt resides.


Folks - Zepfan lives near Escondido CA. Is there anybody else in the general area with a manual?


btw -
The link you posted was for one of the cheap rip-off copies of the Yamaha publication. I personally know of people paying $10-$15 for those and receiving either a poor scan of a paper manual, or getting a manual for totally different Yamaha products, including even an outboard boat motor. It really is one of those "get what you paid for" items.

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Re: Cold Start / Chain Tensioner / Busted Motor JUNK TENERE ??
« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2017, 08:52:30 pm »
There has been 4 CCT for the Tenere
23p-12210-00
23p-12210-01
2bs-12210-00
2bs-12210-01

The last one is the new for 2017 Tenere and the only one you can order now right from Yamaha

So which one of those four is the one causing the trouble? I have a 2013 and my dealer wasn't sure if mine was one that should be replaced. I will be getting my valve clearance checked at the next service interval and was thinking that would be the time to change out the CCT. Is this when it's normally replaced?

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Re: Cold Start / Chain Tensioner / Busted Motor JUNK TENERE ??
« Reply #38 on: December 07, 2017, 09:18:46 pm »
So which one of those four is the one causing the trouble? I have a 2013 and my dealer wasn't sure if mine was one that should be replaced. I will be getting my valve clearance checked at the next service interval and was thinking that would be the time to change out the CCT. Is this when it's normally replaced?

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As I understand it, the first revision of the CCT was for the 2014 model, so any model year before that is likely the first one on the list.
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Re: Cold Start / Chain Tensioner / Busted Motor JUNK TENERE ??
« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2017, 09:57:21 am »
Leak down failed. "leaking all over"

I like the idea of just re setting timing (if that's the problem w/ skip) pretty sure it is.

WHATS THE BEST WAY TO GET A SERVICE MANUAL ??

Thanks !!!


Check with Greg the Pole, he hasn't listed it for sale, but he might have a manual.
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Re: Cold Start / Chain Tensioner / Busted Motor JUNK TENERE ??
« Reply #40 on: December 08, 2017, 01:56:27 pm »
I ordered a hard copy on fleabay $25.

Started into it. Already frustrated trying to remove valve cover!
Hydraulic lines off the rail and ignition harness pulled up through the frame. Not gonna pry it off or ?? am I.  lol

Oh this is gonna be fun!

Do I have to take the motor out of frame for a top end? ( 4 bolts in frame side and exhaust gives enough room?)

lol went back out and got the cover off.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2017, 01:59:09 pm by Zepfan »
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Re: Cold Start / Chain Tensioner / Busted Motor JUNK TENERE ??
« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2017, 03:10:14 pm »
Found a broken shim when i pulled the tc clutch cover.
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Re: Cold Start / Chain Tensioner / Busted Motor JUNK TENERE ??
« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2017, 03:45:39 pm »
Looking at manual  ch5 - p15

aliment marks on cam not visible when K is aligned to case.

hard to get even a .007 gauge in either exhaust or intake

Looks like I'm dropping the motor!~  Broken shim = some bad sh*t I'm guessing.

« Last Edit: December 08, 2017, 03:50:21 pm by Zepfan »
Ramble On, And now's the time, the time is now, to sing my song.
I'm goin' 'round the world, I got to find my girl, on my way.
I've been this way ten years to the day, Ramble On,
Gotta find the queen of all my dreams.

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Re: Cold Start / Chain Tensioner / Busted Motor JUNK TENERE ??
« Reply #43 on: December 08, 2017, 04:30:54 pm »
I'm about a day ahead of you... but I have a manual.


AFA having to pull the engine to get the head out:
2 or 3 of the six big bolts that hold the head to the cylinder casting won't clear the frame (they're long).
You can take out the bolts for the plate at the front (this is likely already off if you've got the valve cover off), there there are 4 bolts from the frame into the cylinder head; 1 behind the kickstand; 1 where the kickstand would be if there was one on the right side of the bike; and 1 long thru bolt that goes all the way thru the engine and comes out the other side.

If you pull every bolt but the thru bolt, the engine can be tilted down to let the cylinder head bolts come out.  You may have to pull a lot of other stuff (cable connections and such) to get it to that point.
 
You need a special tool to remove that last pivot/ thru the engine bolt.  The long thru bolt passes thru a sleeve which threads into the motor from the right side of the frame.  I'm planning to make a tool.
Having said all that, you may not need to pull the engine at all to do the job.  At some point I decided it would be less hassle to just pull the cylinder head to ease working on it.  I also plan to pull the engine to ease re-assembly and timing... but you don't HAVE to do that, it's just more of a  PITA if you don't.


Since you don't have the manual, I'll point out that those 6 bolts that hold the cylinder head on are "special".  There is a very specific torque sequence, including a specified amount of angle to re-assemble it.  The installation torque permantly deforms the bolts - they are one use only and you'll need to buy new ones.
Get ready for sticker shock on those bolts - I picked mine up from the dealer today.  He told me there were only a handful of those bolts in North America - if you're going to need them, order asap because there may be a long lead time.  List is $25, you should definitely ask for/ expect a discount from that price.  The head gasket is something like $30, too.  The full suite of gaskets (clutch cover, CCT, valve cover, cylinder head) is pretty pricey, too.


Good luck.  It's tedious, sometimes frustrating, a little expensive, and you'll need to buy/ borrow/ make a few special tools.

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Re: Cold Start / Chain Tensioner / Busted Motor JUNK TENERE ??
« Reply #44 on: December 08, 2017, 05:46:42 pm »
So which one of those four is the one causing the trouble? I have a 2013 and my dealer wasn't sure if mine was one that should be replaced. I will be getting my valve clearance checked at the next service interval and was thinking that would be the time to change out the CCT. Is this when it's normally replaced?

10éréRider

Look at the end of the CCT. The one in the picture is off my 13 model and has 23P stamped on the end. The newer version you want will have 2BS on the end. 00 to 01 means a very minor change was made, sometimes it's just a different color.

 

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