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Offline Defekticon

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Re: ktm 690 is going away for a yamaha beating (T 7 ) ktm 790
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2017, 12:58:42 pm »
I have a question , should one consider buying a final year model ( any brand ) and what might be a long term consequence ( parts etc. ) ? the local dealer has a '17 model at a large discount. 8500.00 for a new 690.

For KTM 2017/2018 marks a major change in their line up to meet new emissions regulations in the light of the Volkwagen Dieselgate scandal. KTM is redesigning engines and emissions systems to avoid prison time for executives. But what that means for the consumer? Well they engineered their emissions system in such a way that makes it apparent they expect the end user to immediately remove that equipment to make the engine run reliably.

Just my observation that I've seen echo'd across advrider, thumpertalk, and ktmtalk.

TL;DR: Yeah the last model year for KTM's previous line up just means less work to make it run reliably.
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Re: ktm 690 is going away for a yamaha beating (T 7 ) ktm 790
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2017, 05:43:10 pm »
I have a question , should one consider buying a final year model ( any brand ) and what might be a long term consequence ( parts etc. ) ? the local dealer has a '17 model at a large discount. 8500.00 for a new 690.


The 690 is a great bike and that is a fantastic price. Because the 690 has been around so long there are no end of people and companies providing goodies for it. If you do buy one, how are you going to feel when the next model comes out with tighter turning and whatever other new features it will be endowed with?


I sold mine a week ago because it just had too much overlap with the capabilities of the Super Tenere. For a second bike, I've been doing the 3 Bears story. The WR250R was too underpowered, the 690 was big and it had a lot of overlap with the Tenere, and now Snakebitten keeps teasing me with stories about how the 350XCFW is just right.


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Re: ktm 690 is going away for a yamaha beating (T 7 ) ktm 790
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2017, 06:08:05 pm »
It's not going away, the 2018's are on the KTM US site.  http://www.ktm.com/us/travel/690-enduro-r-2018/

They are selling new 2017 Husky 701s here in Oregon for a mere $9999.  If you are looking at the 690, the Husky is definitely worth a look.  Smoother, 2yr warranty, extra litre of fuel, more suspension travel...
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Re: ktm 690 is going away for a yamaha beating (T 7 ) ktm 790
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2017, 07:19:06 pm »
it was and is a rhetorical question , ktm 690 going away..... it started with a conversation with my neighbor who owns a husky 701, had me looking at ktm 690 more for curiosity than anything else at this time in life.... noticed on KTM site 690 not featured , so the neighbor is thinking that KTM is letting it go because the 790 is about to come to production... 701 got the revised motor and other improvements , hard to believe the parent company would let husky out perform their own product. ktm has a promotional video on the 790 on their site... the Austin KTM dealer is TJ's cycles , they have one at a discount... so if the 690 is not discontinued that's cool too. I have been thinking of a second bike , something lighter than the tenere , 690,701,500, 350, dr 650 , not sure but it would have to be lighter. am not planning on not having the tenere ( after all the farkles wife would have me by the short hairs if I got rid of it, besides I still like the old girl.) ( bike and wife )go away, so for grins lets say the 690 is toast , other than more power what would a 790 bring to the table worth having... if its heavy and it has to be heavier than a 690, its not as good in the dirt . the t7 or how ever it appears would have to have power because it will be heavy or whats the point. I already have a heavy dirt orientated street bike that keeps going where I point it.... but its not a trail bike. do I want a trail bike , maybe , or just one that can handle the trails that doesn't weigh twice what I weigh. there is a lot of manufactures activity moving it seems in the 1000cc to 800cc area. I like the big torque motor , its why I bought the tenere, but it has limits. and weight is the limiter. and lighter has its own limits.

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Re: ktm 690 is going away for a yamaha beating (T 7 ) ktm 790
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2017, 09:02:55 am »
so I have a little time this morning and see that Krussel is correct it is (690) on the website. it was not there a few weeks ago when I was looking for it. this seems to happen on the Yamaha site with the tenere occasionally sparking much conversation whether  Yamaha is bringing back another model year of our bike. and the ktm site is pushing the 790 r as a "it probably is coming " new model. the 790 duke is rated at 105 hp, so if the R comes this will be the possible power output of the 790r. there is your bench mark Yamaha.

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Re: ktm 690 is going away for a yamaha beating (T 7 ) ktm 790
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2017, 12:23:02 pm »
701 got the revised motor and other improvements , hard to believe the parent company would let husky out perform their own product.

I actually don't see it like that. KTM would LOVE it if you buy a white one.
They have a few things that differentiate the orange and white for the other models too.

TrikePilot has the white one. I have the orange one. He gets to call his "his Swedish mistress"
He KNOWS I can't reply with an equivalent affection for mine.

Hey Greg, my 16 never flames out!   Ever. (I have the JD tuner setup for me by Slavens. In fact, I let Slavens pretty much set my bike up based on questions they asked me)
However, I'd LOVE one of the rumored 2-strokes coming!
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Re: ktm 690 is going away for a yamaha beating (T 7 ) ktm 790
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2017, 02:31:15 pm »
I actually don't see it like that. KTM would LOVE it if you buy a white one.
They have a few things that differentiate the orange and white for the other models too.

TrikePilot has the white one. I have the orange one. He gets to call his "his Swedish mistress"
He KNOWS I can't reply with an equivalent affection for mine.

Hey Greg, my 16 never flames out!   Ever. (I have the JD tuner setup for me by Slavens. In fact, I let Slavens pretty much set my bike up based on questions they asked me)
However, I'd LOVE one of the rumored 2-strokes coming!
I'm just bugging you.  Both my 2011, and 2014 perform flawlessly.  Once jetted for ballpark elevation, they rarely go wrong (fouled a few plugs, operator error, but it's a 1 minute job to swap a new one in, and I always carry a fresh spare)
Up to 2016 the 2 strokes were decent.  In 2017, they finally fixed the shitty starter design, and put it on the bottom side of the motor (just like Beta did).  They also lightened the bikes, and put in a balancer shaft to quell vibes.  I've ridden a few 2017s (250 and 300) and they feel like over powered bicycles.  Light, and the perfect tool for the type of riding we do in the mountains.

For 2019, they will bring out direct injection.  This will be as close to EFI as a 2 stroke can be, plus as a bonus, they will come with a separate oil tank, and the mixture will be done according to load/condition etc...
All that said, my next bike will not be a 2019 300, it will be a 2017, or 2018, lightely used, and properly equipped by someone else.  The 2019s will be in high demand, and will cost as much ($1000 over a 2018).  Guys will be quick to change their one year old perfectly good 300, just to get latest/greatest.

At any rate, I'm enjoying my 2014 immensly.  Putting a ton of hours on it.  I will likely be ready for a new dirt bike at the end of this season.

a short vid here: https://youtu.be/lgLZDOC8WyY
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Re: ktm 690 is going away for a yamaha beating (T 7 ) ktm 790
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2017, 03:19:38 pm »
so the Canadian narrator.........I suspect the other bike is his? Do tell. :)

 
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Re: ktm 690 is going away for a yamaha beating (T 7 ) ktm 790
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2017, 03:38:15 pm »
so the Canadian narrator.........I suspect the other bike is his? Do tell. :)
Nope, Bengt (it's the guy's name) is a dude I ride with, well into his sixties, and the guy keeps up no issues.  He's on a husky 350.
that's me on my 300 practicing logs.  Height wise it's about 18 to 20" log.  Last year I went over the bars.  This year looks a bit better.
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2014 KTM 300 XC Smoker.  Ring a ding ding
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Re: ktm 690 is going away for a yamaha beating (T 7 ) ktm 790
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2017, 07:58:06 am »
I just picked up the perfect trail bike for me +60 year old.
This thing has given me a new life on the trails.
203 lbs, It just can't be stopped, keeps pulling up steep hills just over ideal rpm.
It won't stop when it's down to 4 mph in tight steep rocks. [no clutching]
150XC-W

 We went down to Chadwick, Mo. to test it out last weekend.
This is my Awesome boy showing us how it's done.



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Re: ktm 690 is going away for a yamaha beating (T 7 ) ktm 790
« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2017, 09:27:36 am »
I love my xc300.  Second one in 3 yrs.  And there will be more!  Enjoy.
It's hard to soar like an eagle, when you're surrounded by turkeys

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2017 Honda AT slushie
2014 KTM 300 XC Smoker.  Ring a ding ding
...ya owned a few ...2012 XT1200, FJ09, FZ07, FZ09, FZ01 1st Gen, ST1300, KLR's, DR650's, DR400, DL1000, TLS, VFR,CBR..

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Re: ktm 690 is going away for a yamaha beating (T 7 ) ktm 790
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2017, 04:58:37 pm »
weighed the neighbors 701 husky today with a windshield , skid plate ,seat concepts seat, bark buster hand guards, and a pannier rack mounted and it had 4 gallons of fuel. bike weighed 368 lbs ready to ride.

 

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